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Pip assessment

te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
Have just had f2f pip assessment and received a text message from DWP to say they have received the written report from assessor. Can I phone DWP to ask for a copy of the assessors written report before they send the dreaded decision out to me and can I do this straight away or do I need to wait a while before I can ask for it. 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    If you live in the UK yes you can ring to request it to be sent to you Monday morning when they open.
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  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    Hi thank you for your reply that's helpful I will call them on Monday even though I'm not looking forward to reading it 
  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    Hi I have now received my pip assessment copy. Would appreciate some help with the washing and bathing question the assessor reported all the information but I'm slightly confused as to the points I scored on this one as at the bottom of the information she states. Therefore the evidence indicates the need for aids to be able to wash and bathe reliably. Did I not score because it says reliably rather than safely? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    te1 said:
    Hi I have now received my pip assessment copy. Would appreciate some help with the washing and bathing question the assessor reported all the information but I'm slightly confused as to the points I scored on this one as at the bottom of the information she states. Therefore the evidence indicates the need for aids to be able to wash and bathe reliably. Did I not score because it says reliably rather than safely? 
    You need to look at the boxes with dots or ticks next to them. Use the PIP descriptors to compare those to see what is recommended. I find using the PIP self test is easier to use when doing this. Just transfer the dots from the boxes in the report to the PIP self test and then see what score is recommended at the end of the test.

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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2019
    @te1 - you have to be able to satisfy any of the descriptors 'reliably'. 

    Reliably means
    • Safely.
    • To an acceptable standard.
    • Repeatedly.
    • In a reasonable time.
    If you don't meet all of these then you don't satisfy the descriptor.

    If the assessor has said that you need an aid and then scored you 0 it sounds like he/she has made a mistake. If it's significant i.e.  makes the difference between getting an award and not then you might need to ask them to correct this at a mandatory review..
  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    Thank you for your reply can't say I'm impressed with the report there are a lot of spelling mistakes and sentences that don't make sense as words have been left out or added so I have to read them a couple of times to decifer what they actually meant to write. Twice in the report it says snot instead of not. 

  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @te1 - I have only had one assessment but my report was the same.

    Lots of typos, poor punctuation, one paragraph was completely unintelligible. It had certainly not been proofread and it came across as slapdash and unprofessional.

    If someone working for me had produced such poor work I would have sent it straight back to be completely re-written.


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I've seen 4 PIP reports in total, 2 for myself and 2 for my daughter and there's been typos in all of them. Did you add the recommended points up? Does it recommend an award?
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  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    Yes thank you I've added it up and looks like I will get the standard rate for daily living which is at least something I've been so stressed about it since the day I posted it and then waiting for the report. I just think it is very unprofessional and slapdash as well, as commented by Cristobal. 
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @te1 - curiously when I raised the poor quality no-one seemed too concerned.

    I did wonder if anyone had actually read all of my report as I can't see how anyone could come to a decision and not have noticed that parts of the report made no sense.

    Well done anyway!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    te1 said:
    Yes thank you I've added it up and looks like I will get the standard rate for daily living which is at least something I've been so stressed about it since the day I posted it and then waiting for the report. I just think it is very unprofessional and slapdash as well, as commented by Cristobal. 
    The question is, are you happy with that? What award do you currently have for DLA?
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  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    Are you happy with that? What award do you currently get? 
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    cristobal said:
    @te1 - curiously when I raised the poor quality no-one seemed too concerned.

    I did wonder if anyone had actually read all of my report as I can't see how anyone could come to a decision and not have noticed that parts of the report made no sense.

    Well done anyway!!
    Despite promised action over the years, the DWP still continue to issue official letters akin to have been written by a child of 7. Probably they all have a common theme in that the DWP CAN understand these reports as they have a common language - balderdash!
  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    te1 said:
    Yes thank you I've added it up and looks like I will get the standard rate for daily living which is at least something I've been so stressed about it since the day I posted it and then waiting for the report. I just think it is very unprofessional and slapdash as well, as commented by Cristobal. 
    The question is, are you happy with that? What award do you currently have for DLA?

  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    Currently on low rate daily living so with the standard on pip I will be a little better off financially 
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    That’s good news. Seriously. 
  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    I think it is as I could have lost everything from the horrendous stories I've seen on here and this Scope forum has been very helpful 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As you're claiming low rate care DLA at the moment and your PIP report recommends standard daily living then this could entitle you to claim other benefits BUT it will depend on your circumstances and what other benefits you claim.
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  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    I need to make an appointment with CAB as I don't really know what I am entitled to I am currently receiving ssp as not been able to work since end of January, whilst working I was and still am getting working tax credits as I was working 16 hours but if I still can't return to work I will not be able to survive on standard pip rate for daily living so thank you for your help 
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    te1 said:
    I need to make an appointment with CAB as I don't really know what I am entitled to I am currently receiving ssp as not been able to work since end of January, whilst working I was and still am getting working tax credits as I was working 16 hours but if I still can't return to work I will not be able to survive on standard pip rate for daily living so thank you for your help 
    Be aware that the DWP view a PIP award as monies paid entirely to cover the extra costs such as the purchase of disability aids, extra heating/water costs etc  that having a disability brings to the table. It is not paid to cover the normal day to day living costs that each and every one of us has.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    twonker said:

    Be aware that the DWP view a PIP award as monies paid entirely to cover the extra costs such as the purchase of disability aids, extra heating/water costs etc  that having a disability brings to the table. It is not paid to cover the normal day to day living costs that each and every one of us has.
    Why should te1 be aware? There's no law in what you have to spend the PIP money on and DWP don't check what you spend it on either. Very often people use it for everyday living costs because they have no option but if they do chose to spend it this way that entirely up to them.
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    twonker said:

    Be aware that the DWP view a PIP award as monies paid entirely to cover the extra costs such as the purchase of disability aids, extra heating/water costs etc  that having a disability brings to the table. It is not paid to cover the normal day to day living costs that each and every one of us has.
    Why should te1 be aware? There's no law in what you have to spend the PIP money on and DWP don't check what you spend it on either. Very often people use it for everyday living costs because they have no option but if they do chose to spend it this way that entirely up to them.
    I agree with @poppy123456 ...not sure who started the myth about PIP being for extra expenses.

    If PIP is for "extra costs" then the DWP would almost certainly want receipts for the money paid. 


  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    twonker said:

    Be aware that the DWP view a PIP award as monies paid entirely to cover the extra costs such as the purchase of disability aids, extra heating/water costs etc  that having a disability brings to the table. It is not paid to cover the normal day to day living costs that each and every one of us has.
    Why should te1 be aware? There's no law in what you have to spend the PIP money on and DWP don't check what you spend it on either. Very often people use it for everyday living costs because they have no option but if they do chose to spend it this way that entirely up to them.
    I think that you will find in one of Ilovecats postings, the assessor would expect that where aids could be seen to be needed but weren't purchased and the claimant in their next review continued to claim for the same impact again then the assessor would question as to why the money was not spent on what it was given for. Maybe the assessor would point this out to the DWP.
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    cristobal said:
    twonker said:



    I agree with @poppy123456 ...not sure who started the myth about PIP being for extra expenses.

    If PIP is for "extra costs" then the DWP would almost certainly want receipts for the money paid. 
    See Overview  https://www.gov.uk/pip

    See under Personal independence Payment  https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/

    First sentence  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Independence_Payment

    The DWP are not going to ask for invoices they instead hold in the trust of the claimant that the money is used for the reasons that it is paid. Otherwise what is the point in making a financial claim because of a disability if it is not being used to help the claimant cope with that disability better.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @twonker and you say you're not a previous poster? yeah, ok. I've now added you to my ignore list...
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    ilovecats said:

    I think this with almost every post I see  ;)
    I'm glad i'm not the only one that thinks this.. :o
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  • te1te1 Member Posts: 50 Connected
    I would like to add that also if you are in receipt of pip due to a disability and have to spend the majority of your time at home, as stated in a previous post surely the extra money is to help with the burden of higher electricity/gas and water I believe it was twonker who stated this 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    te1 said:
    I would like to add that also if you are in receipt of pip due to a disability and have to spend the majority of your time at home, as stated in a previous post surely the extra money is to help with the burden of higher electricity/gas and water I believe it was twonker who stated this 
    What you spend the money on is entirely up to you and they never question what you spend it on.
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  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    te1 said:
    I would like to add that also if you are in receipt of pip due to a disability and have to spend the majority of your time at home, as stated in a previous post surely the extra money is to help with the burden of higher electricity/gas and water I believe it was twonker who stated this 
    That is right. Of course there will be extra costs relating to utilities and quite rightly this is what PIP is paid for.
    It certainly isn't paid to cover every day bills and expenses that everybody has to account for. 
    If the government/DWP get wind of that happening they would have every right to look at PIP again.to ensure that the money is used in a way it was intended. It would be most frustrating for those who are struggling on ESA/JSA/UC to hear that some disabled individuals are using PIP to increase their personal standard of living improperly.
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited May 2019
    @twonker - I'm struggling to understand why you have a problem with claimants using PIP to pay "everyday bill and expenses"

    I've just checked my award notice and there is no mention of what I'm supposed to spend it on. The DWP website says,

    "Personal Independence Payment (PIP) can help you with some of the extra costs if you have a long term ill-health or disability."

    Doesn't seem to be as prescriptive as you imagine...
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    cristobal said:
    "Personal Independence Payment (PIP) can help you with some of the extra costs if you have a long term ill-health or disability."
    Thanks you have clearly pointed out in your post exactly what I have been saying.
    The money is there to help with some of the extra costs IF you have long term ill health or disability.
    No where does it say that it is there to help towards the normal living costs that everyone has to pay for - ill health, disabled or otherwise.
    As I have said, if the government/DWP come to realise that the money is not being used as was intended they may well seek to change the way they do business which would hurt only those that are entitled to PIP. You could say that the claimants that use the money in ways that were not intended may well be shooting themselves in their foot.

  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @twanker - I think we are both interpreting "can help you with some of the extra costs" differently. I don't read this as prescriptive i.e. "this is what you must spend the money on" whereas you obviously do.

    I prefer my interpretation, coupled with the fact that none of the letters from DWP say what I should use PIP for.

    Others, like you, make take a different view but there's no element of "shooting myself in the foot." 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    There's no where in the guide where is says you can't spend the money on everyday living costs. Some people really should stop trying to scare other people by saying it shouldn't be spent on the exactly what we want to spend it on. My daughter spends some of hers on going out with her support worker. The support she receives from this is paid for by direct payments.. she's entitled to those payments, the same way she's entitled to every penny she receives from PIP because she has a disability that greatly affects her everyday life. Last time i looked she hadn't "shot herself in her foot either"
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 - I agree as you might imagine from my previous post.

    Hopefully people shouldn't be worried - they can read all of the posts and make their own mind up.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    cristobal said:
    @poppy123456 - I agree as you might imagine from my previous post.

    Hopefully people shouldn't be worried - they can read all of the posts and make their own mind up.
    Thanks. This is the problem here, people will read some of the comments on this thread and worry because that's what some people do. It's wrong that members give information like this and worry the most vulnerable people. People will be too scared to spend their money on everyday cost of living and it's wrong.
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  • bigglesworthbigglesworth Member Posts: 21 Connected
    Maybe if the benefits system actually worked then disabled people getting PIP would not need to use their PIP money to buy day to day things. For a disabled person who is out of work or unable to work I would assume:

    housing benefit -> rent
    ESA -> day to day costs
    PIP -> disability costs

    If any of these are missing then someones living expenses doesn't fall accordingly, the other benefits need to make up the shortfall.

    You also get a lot of disabled adults that live at home and still need to pay rent, but they are ineligible for housing benefit so the rent money has to come out of their ESA/PIP unless they live with a wealthy relative who does not mind supporting their living costs.

    What about things like property damage caused by using some aids over time? Surely the PIP money should cover things like repairs needed due to the use of aids too. I can't imagine the DWP or an assessor would even consider stuff like this.
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    This discussion is ridiculous IMHO. Every day costs include food which costs a lot more if you're Gluten free as I am. I also can't tolerate dairy products and have soya milk and other substitutes which cost a lot more. I need more heating than a fit healthy person, another everyday cost. i use more water for baths just to ease leg pain. Otherwise I could just have a quick shower. Another every day cost. Is it really anything to do with anybody else what I use my PIP for so long as I'm not going on holiday, eating out in posh restaurants or upgrading my TV although that again would be acceptable if it's one of the only few things you can still do. Everyone's every day costs differ according to their lifestyle so the phrase is meaningless and should not be used in a discussion about what PIP/ESA should be used for.  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @wildlife well said and i couldn't agree more.
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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @wildlife and @poppy123456 - that's it then....spend PIP on whatever you want.....

    Time to move on now that's agreed?
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    Everyone is different as we know, the effect of a condition on one person will be different to that of someome else with a similar condition. As with living expenses and extra costs, what one person considers to be normal living expenses could easily include the extra costs as we become used to having to live in a certain way.

    Special diets, for example, are normal living expenses for some people but they are also extra costs over and above that which someone without that condition would need to pay.

    Everyone has to pay utility bills which is a normal living expense but some conditions require extra heat or water. Over time, these extra costs become normal living expenses to the person that needs them.

    I don't think that it is possible to separate normal living expenses from the extra costs incurred by some people. You need what you need to live the best life you can, as is the right of everyone
     
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • wildlifewildlife Member Posts: 1,314 Pioneering
    Thanks. I've just had a brain storm. How about we all work out how much extra water/heating we use and any other expenses we have due to our disabilities then pay for the "normal" amount out of any income we have other than benefit. Then pay for the extra out of our PIP/ESA. Is that what you mean @Twanker.    
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Member Posts: 5,257 Disability Gamechanger
    ilovecats said:
    wildlife said:@Twanker.    
    #unfortunatetypo . . . :D
    or not :)
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    Maybe if the benefits system actually worked then disabled people getting PIP would not need to use their PIP money to buy day to day things. For a disabled person who is out of work or unable to work I would assume:

    housing benefit -> rent
    ESA -> day to day costs
    PIP -> disability costs

    If any of these are missing then someones living expenses doesn't fall accordingly, the other benefits need to make up the shortfall.

    You also get a lot of disabled adults that live at home and still need to pay rent, but they are ineligible for housing benefit so the rent money has to come out of their ESA/PIP unless they live with a wealthy relative who does not mind supporting their living costs.

    What about things like property damage caused by using some aids over time? Surely the PIP money should cover things like repairs needed due to the use of aids too. I can't imagine the DWP or an assessor would even consider stuff like this.
    Thanks, one of the more sensible posts on this subject.
    I agree that if there is a shortfall in benefits being paid, ie, Housing Benefit to cover the rent, ESA/JSA/UC to cover the costs of normal day to day living and PIP/AA to cover the extra costs incurred due to ill health or disability then something is going wrong.
    It should not be the case that PIP, in this case, is being added to ESA/JSA/UC to pay for the normal living expenditure.
    This goes for those who can't work because they can't find a job to those that can't because of a disability. What we as a society should be doing is challenging the government/DWP to ensure income replacement benefits (ESA/JSA/UC) are paid at a rate that allows for the normal costs of living to be covered.
    I would also agree that any damage that has been caused by some aids or that the aids need replacing should be covered out of PIP/AA.

    It is illogical to think or accept that any recipient of PIP or AA should want or have to add that money to the 'household pot' in order to put food on the table or to be able to by normal everyday clothing.

    In my case my PIP is put into a bank account separate from my normal income and is used to pay for my Rail Card, extra transport costs directly related to my disability, purchase & replacement of aids, payments made for cleaning, ironing, gardening, painting and general home maintenance & repairs etc. I have just had an invoice for £70 in respect of gardening work needed to the front.
    If I was not disabled all of the above costs and more besides would not occur as I would do the work myself.
  • twonkertwonker Posts: 617 Member
    ilovecats said:


    Thanks, one of the more sensible posts on this subject.
    I agree that if there is a shortfall in benefits being paid, ie, Housing Benefit to cover the rent, ESA/JSA/UC to cover the costs of normal day to day living and PIP/AA to cover the extra costs incurred due to ill health or disability then something is going wrong.
    It should not be the case that PIP, in this case, is being added to ESA/JSA/UC to pay for the normal living expenditure.
    This goes for those who can't work because they can't find a job to those that can't because of a disability. What we as a society should be doing is challenging the government/DWP to ensure income replacement benefits (ESA/JSA/UC) are paid at a rate that allows for the normal costs of living to be covered.
    I would also agree that any damage that has been caused by some aids or that the aids need replacing should be covered out of PIP/AA.

    It is illogical to think or accept that any recipient of PIP or AA should want or have to add that money to the 'household pot' in order to put food on the table or to be able to by normal everyday clothing.

    In my case my PIP is put into a bank account separate from my normal income and is used to pay for my Rail Card, extra transport costs directly related to my disability, purchase & replacement of aids, payments made for cleaning, ironing, gardening, painting and general home maintenance & repairs etc. I have just had an invoice for £70 in respect of gardening work needed to the front.
    If I was not disabled all of the above costs and more besides would not occur as I would do the work myself.
    Is ironing, gardening and painting a necessity . . . #justsaying
    It depends on how you value what bit is left of the quality of life.
    I detest not having an ironed shirt or bedding that has come straight out of the dryer all crumpled. I don't particularly want to live in a home that is surrounded on all 4 sides with grass 18" high and overgrown bushes along with dandelions growing out of the path ways. As for painting, maintenance of a home is vital. that is unless you want rotten window frames and doors.
    The point I was making is that my meagre PIP award is always spent on things that if I was not disabled I would do the work myself which is in line with what the DWP say - to cover the extra costs that come from being disabled. In fact the total I pay out far far exceeds what the DWP give me. My normal income is used to not only cover the day to day costs of living but also to cover the shortfall of my PIP award. You don't get much for fifty odd pounds a week.
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