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stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
Having put in an MR for pip and speaking to 4 managers over the phone about it. It was put as urgent 
I have spoken again to the dwp who have said a letter has been sent out but it hasn't updated on the system so she can't see it yet 
She said she could see that it was noted to be dealt with asap 
Could this be a positive thing I'm dreading the letter 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    Fingers crossed for you that you are one of the 19% of those that have the decision changed at MR stage but it's rare. It can take a few days to receive the letter but if you ring again tomorrow they will be able to see the decision on the computer because it can take 24 hours to update.
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  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Thank you I'm not sure I want to phone and see but they have dealt with it very fast as I was informed that even the urgent section is a long list 
    Everything that I have said to them has been put down on computer and was then noted underneath to be dealt with asap this was noted by a case manager 
    I'm just wondering if anyone has a simular experience and if so was it positive 
    I mean if there wasn't anything that stuck out I'm sure it would just be in the list of MRs they get which I believe to be loads at the minute and there is a backlog on urgent and non urgent 
    The impact it's had on my partner is indescribable other than a complete shell and even lost weight 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Did you put the request in writing or just requested over the phone?
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  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Phoned 1st then I went to cab got some advice from them 
    Then put it into writing 
    I then continued to phone and I was put through to managers because I could prove the assessor made false facts 
    Which changed it's direction I think.
    It was put as urgent at this point then I spoke to them again and it was changed to asap and they seem to have kept to there word 
    It was read back to me my latest conversation so they have been listening to me so at least there is comfort in that but it's made me lose faith in humanity. My partner wouldn't of been able to do this she wouldn't mentally cope and wouldn't fight this it's saddening to think there is probably lots of people who haven't pit up a fight but I can and will but it is draining and cruel 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Having put in an MR for pip and speaking to 4 managers over the phone about it. It was put as urgent 
    I have spoken again to the dwp who have said a letter has been sent out but it hasn't updated on the system so she can't see it yet 
    She said she could see that it was noted to be dealt with asap 
    Could this be a positive thing I'm dreading the letter 
    I’m sorry to hear about your situation. I have just started a MR this week. The whole thing has made my mental state even worse, I can’t get a moments sleep or anything:(
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    struggle2222 i really feel for you because it seems to be a pointless process to go through wasting numerous of weeks and causing so much distress.
    In my eyes it's an act of cruelty because only a small amount of people succeed at this point but to get your tribunal you have to do it.
    If you've phoned them to tell them your doing an MR make sure you tell them to note on your records that you will be putting in writing so they don't start the process.
    I phoned them to say an MR will be happening and I gave a brief of why then I got a text message saying you have asked us to look at your claim again so I phoned and they were going to use my call I said no I'm putting it in writing so she noted it. I also sent it recorded delivery.
    It's very stressful but try to plan ahead in your mind that tribunal is likely.
    Finding this page has helped me cope with the stress to see we arent alone going through this and to see but my partner isn't doing good her meds have had to be increased and also been prescribed sedatives, she's lost weight and talking awful thoughts

  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    struggle2222 i really feel for you because it seems to be a pointless process to go through wasting numerous of weeks and causing so much distress.
    In my eyes it's an act of cruelty because only a small amount of people succeed at this point but to get your tribunal you have to do it.
    If you've phoned them to tell them your doing an MR make sure you tell them to note on your records that you will be putting in writing so they don't start the process.
    I phoned them to say an MR will be happening and I gave a brief of why then I got a text message saying you have asked us to look at your claim again so I phoned and they were going to use my call I said no I'm putting it in writing so she noted it. I also sent it recorded delivery.
    It's very stressful but try to plan ahead in your mind that tribunal is likely.
    Finding this page has helped me cope with the stress to see we arent alone going through this and to see but my partner isn't doing good her meds have had to be increased and also been prescribed sedatives, she's lost weight and talking awful thoughts

    I logged my wanting them to start the MR process on Monday and on Tuesday I sent a letter detailing why I think that the decision is totally wrong by signed for first class. I checked today and it shows it’s been received. I’ve printed the confirmation off, should it go to tribunal or they deny having received it! I can’t  believe how ridiculous this process is, it’s not at all good for people that suffer mental health issues. Thanks for your response x 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Things have to change soon.
    It's quite clear that assessors are telling pork pies on reports ... Why though I don't understand.
    I've been on other forums on the internet and the amount of people saying lies are on reports is barbaric. This can't carry on for long surely I bet the DWP are tired of hearing this and it has to be costing them more money in the long term with the amount of successful tribunals. 
    Good luck with your MR.
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Things have to change soon.
    It's quite clear that assessors are telling pork pies on reports ... Why though I don't understand.
    I've been on other forums on the internet and the amount of people saying lies are on reports is barbaric. This can't carry on for long surely I bet the DWP are tired of hearing this and it has to be costing them more money in the long term with the amount of successful tribunals. 
    Good luck with your MR.
    The only conclusion I’ve come to is that they must have a quota for people that they have to fail. There can be no other explanation. The CAPITA woman I had pretended to be nice but told absolutely bare faced lies. My report was a total opposite of what was said. I actually thought that they’d mixed my report up with someone else’s !!!!
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Things have to change soon.
    It's quite clear that assessors are telling pork pies on reports ... Why though I don't understand.
    I've been on other forums on the internet and the amount of people saying lies are on reports is barbaric. This can't carry on for long surely I bet the DWP are tired of hearing this and it has to be costing them more money in the long term with the amount of successful tribunals. 
    Good luck with your MR.
    Oh my MR process has only started today so I am guessing this ordeal is not going to be sorted one way or another until at least the end of summer. And to think I’ll be living off almost nothing after rent is paid! My housing Benefit is £345 and my rent is £500. It leaves me with so little in the end!
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    That's exactly what I thought of my partners I was reading it over and over as I just couldn't get over the false information.
    My partner has apparently said she is absolutely fine with everything.
    I've done research on my partners assessor and he has 2 jobs one being a liar and the other one isn't far from us and I've struggled not to go to the place of work and tell him and his colleagues what he has done and caused.
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    That's exactly what I thought of my partners I was reading it over and over as I just couldn't get over the false information.
    My partner has apparently said she is absolutely fine with everything.
    I've done research on my partners assessor and he has 2 jobs one being a liar and the other one isn't far from us and I've struggled not to go to the place of work and tell him and his colleagues what he has done and caused.
    I’ve had some thought and about my assessor too, however I would advise against that. It will just end up with you getting a visit from the police, and the liar will end up having another last laugh at your expense. Is there a way to direct message on this forum? I don’t think they fully understand that their shenanigans actually effect people’s lives, I suspect they all have a laugh at work about how many lives they have ruined that day!
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  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Its just cruel struggle2222 but ive read tribunals are different and they dont work for the dwp and have a very high success rate only problem is the waiting time because they have a huge back log 

  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Its just cruel struggle2222 but ive read tribunals are different and they dont work for the dwp and have a very high success rate only problem is the waiting time because they have a huge back log 

    Yes but the problem with the whole procedure is that you have to go through the (what seems in the larger sense pointless) MR stage before you can go forward to tribunal. And for the whole thing to come to a conclusion in some cases is well over 6 months. 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Its just cruel struggle2222 but ive read tribunals are different and they dont work for the dwp and have a very high success rate only problem is the waiting time because they have a huge back log 

    As a disabled person I know how much of a struggle everyday life is and Pip is supposed to help us and support us, however in many many cases it does rather the opposite and makes out lives a living horror story!
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    I've been tempted so bad. My partner has been through hell I know her childhood and it was an horrendous one all I can say is she didn't have a childhood at all.
    So there's no family on her side due to this.
    It took years in blibs and blabs for her to tell me things I know there's more I don't know. I never bring it up it's rare she does and it's not nice when she does.
    I know it's all in her mind everyday of her life and she has never ever left the house without me and it's rare she does. It's people she has a problem with, she doesn't like to be near them. Strangers are a no no so you can imagine the state she was in leading up to and the day of her assessment. It was awful for me I feel so guilty that I couldn't fix it so she didn't have to do it .
    It was very clear for anyone there to see a very distressed person so this assessor to do this to such a vunerable person makes my blood boil he had the cheek to say to her he won't go into detail and will be as quick as he can as he didn't want to cause anymore distress 
    My job role is to protect and care for my partner and I failed 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    I've been tempted so bad. My partner has been through hell I know her childhood and it was an horrendous one all I can say is she didn't have a childhood at all.
    So there's no family on her side due to this.
    It took years in blibs and blabs for her to tell me things I know there's more I don't know. I never bring it up it's rare she does and it's not nice when she does.
    I know it's all in her mind everyday of her life and she has never ever left the house without me and it's rare she does. It's people she has a problem with, she doesn't like to be near them. Strangers are a no no so you can imagine the state she was in leading up to and the day of her assessment. It was awful for me I feel so guilty that I couldn't fix it so she didn't have to do it .
    It was very clear for anyone there to see a very distressed person so this assessor to do this to such a vunerable person makes my blood boil he had the cheek to say to her he won't go into detail and will be as quick as he can as he didn't want to cause anymore distress 
    My job role is to protect and care for my partner and I failed 
    There is a special place in hell for some of those assessors. I’m sure that they can’t get a job in actual Heath care for one reason or other. CAPITA seems to be the last resort job for these failed so called healthcare providers. Nurses are supposed to be caring individuals, this lot are more like that nurse ratchet from one flew over the cuckoos nest, I swear to god there is something wrong with them. 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    The MR stage is a completely pointless process as all they do is pass it to a different manager who reads the assessors report who are supposed to read your MR too and make a decision. A manager is unlikely to want to over ride another managers decision or go against a so called trained and experienced assessors report without a very very good reason too and that's why MR success rate is so low 
    The system has to change 
    As for not telling the dwp about lies 
    I have because it's true it's an actual fact I've been lucky to have proof to back it up too but if they still after that don't change anything and it has to go to tribunal the tribunal will see straight away before even trying to speak with my partner how distressed she will be I'm sure they may even wonder why she's there that's how bad she is you would think you was dragging her into a burning fire 
    If anything happens to her in all this I will make sure there held responsible 
    I'm seeing what they say before I contact newspapers as well. My partners vunerable and weak but I'm not 
    As for the assessor I will have him hang his head in shame if my partner comes to anymore harm 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    The MR stage is a completely pointless process as all they do is pass it to a different manager who reads the assessors report who are supposed to read your MR too and make a decision. A manager is unlikely to want to over ride another managers decision or go against a so called trained and experienced assessors report without a very very good reason too and that's why MR success rate is so low 
    The system has to change 
    As for not telling the dwp about lies 
    I have because it's true it's an actual fact I've been lucky to have proof to back it up too but if they still after that don't change anything and it has to go to tribunal the tribunal will see straight away before even trying to speak with my partner how distressed she will be I'm sure they may even wonder why she's there that's how bad she is you would think you was dragging her into a burning fire 
    If anything happens to her in all this I will make sure there held responsible 
    I'm seeing what they say before I contact newspapers as well. My partners vunerable and weak but I'm not 
    As for the assessor I will have him hang his head in shame if my partner comes to anymore harm 
    I’m dreading the thought of having to go to court. I’m wishing that the MR reviewer sees sense and gives me back my enhanced daily living. But I’m not holding my breath. I’ve read far too many stories that the MR is ever successful. I wonder why they even have that as a part of the process. :/ 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    This one is a qualified mental health nurse and works for Cahms 
    Yes you heard me works with vunerable children and not far from me either 
    He must be doing this job as an add on to line his pockets 
    How on earth can someone who's job role is to try to help vunerable people with numerous mental health issues and up being someone who has the potential to cause them serious harm 
    He shouldn't be allowed to carry on working as a nurse it's disgusting he's breaking code of practice and his duty of care 


  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    This one is a qualified mental health nurse and works for Cahms 
    Yes you heard me works with vunerable children and not far from me either 
    He must be doing this job as an add on to line his pockets 
    How on earth can someone who's job role is to try to help vunerable people with numerous mental health issues and up being someone who has the potential to cause them serious harm 
    He shouldn't be allowed to carry on working as a nurse it's disgusting he's breaking code of practice and his duty of care 


    I think you hit the nail on the head with the lining pockets part. In the newspaper there was this one guy bragging that he was making £20k a month doing these reports. And laughing at the reports he was doing!!
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    This one is a qualified mental health nurse and works for Cahms 
    Yes you heard me works with vunerable children and not far from me either 
    He must be doing this job as an add on to line his pockets 
    How on earth can someone who's job role is to try to help vunerable people with numerous mental health issues and up being someone who has the potential to cause them serious harm 
    He shouldn't be allowed to carry on working as a nurse it's disgusting he's breaking code of practice and his duty of care 


    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fitness-work-assessors-mock-disabled-7730136.amp

    Have a read of that!!
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Wow really 
    Actually bragging 
    They must be told to try there hardest to get people off there entitlements. So just lie, lie and lie 
    There must be a bonus doing so and so they have clicked that there lies will be hard to prove and more money for them.
    These companies who are paying them are going to have to make changes soon because in reality the government are losing money 
    If a tribunal is won then the assessor should be made to pay back what they were given as in my eyes they have been paid for nothing 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Wow really 
    Actually bragging 
    They must be told to try there hardest to get people off there entitlements. So just lie, lie and lie 
    There must be a bonus doing so and so they have clicked that there lies will be hard to prove and more money for them.
    These companies who are paying them are going to have to make changes soon because in reality the government are losing money 
    If a tribunal is won then the assessor should be made to pay back what they were given as in my eyes they have been paid for nothing 
    This is why I’m convinced that they have quotas set to fail people. When I read that I almost chocked on my cup of tea! Isn’t it alarming?!?!!
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Wow how awful.
    My partner won't ever trust a mental health person ever after this me and her GPs have tried for years to get her to see someone and we if she could be helped.
    Knowing this pleb is an actual nurse has impacted on this too 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    It's like a purge there picking on the weak who may not have the frame of mind to fight there corner 
    Suicide is on the increase and I wonder why
    It's like a hatred towards disabilities 
    I seen a post somewhere last weak where the DWPs attitude was if Stephen Hawkins worked then so can anyone. 
    Since when did everyone get the same finger print.
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    It's like a purge there picking on the weak who may not have the frame of mind to fight there corner 
    Suicide is on the increase and I wonder why
    It's like a hatred towards disabilities 
    I seen a post somewhere last weak where the DWPs attitude was if Stephen Hawkins worked then so can anyone. 
    Since when did everyone get the same finger print.
    I’m sorry you’re going through this fiasco! I guess it can only get better. Hang in there!! X 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Thank You and hope your MR gets seen to quickly.
    Not all DWP workers are scary some are nice.
    If you phone them don't be put off by the ones that sound like strict trunchbulls there only advisors at the end of the day. 
    If you are struggling with the waiting time and it's effecting your health then contact them ask to speak to a manager. They do listen and have the ability to push your MR forward even if it's not going to be good news at least you can then press on with the tribunal. 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Thank You and hope your MR gets seen to quickly.
    Not all DWP workers are scary some are nice.
    If you phone them don't be put off by the ones that sound like strict trunchbulls there only advisors at the end of the day. 
    If you are struggling with the waiting time and it's effecting your health then contact them ask to speak to a manager. They do listen and have the ability to push your MR forward even if it's not going to be good news at least you can then press on with the tribunal. 
    To be honest I am gearing up for this having to go to tribunal as I’ve not much faith in the MR process - I’ve read far too many stories of them never being successful. Who knows maybe I may get a decision maker that sees sense - stranger things have happed I guess.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    On'y 19% of MR decision's change and most people have to take it to Tribunal. The process is very long and a lot of areas have backlogs in excess of 1 year.
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  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Try to look at it in a positive way it's 1 year to build up a very good case and smash it I say 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Try to look at it in a positive way it's 1 year to build up a very good case and smash it I say 
    That’s such a kind thing to say. Thanks x but the thing is: I’ll have to live on so little while this ridiculous exercise takes place. I’m having sleepless nights. And since Monday I’ve not even slept. Today I had a letter saying my esa was being reduced by over £65 per week too. But thanks 
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    I hear you struggle2222 I'm just trying to help you look to the future which although seems a distance away will happen and you will win in the end im sure of it. Stay on here like me it really helps to see we are not alone on this.
    Don't give up it's what they want. 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    I hear you struggle2222 I'm just trying to help you look to the future which although seems a distance away will happen and you will win in the end im sure of it. Stay on here like me it really helps to see we are not alone on this.
    Don't give up it's what they want. 
    That’s another conclusion I’ve come to: they want to make it as difficult as possible so people just accept their decision and quit !
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Yes I agree and this is why we need to fight
    Tbh my partner hasn't got it in her but I have and I'm here if you need a chat too 
    Don't give up it's a test that's all things will work out just not over night 
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Yes I agree and this is why we need to fight
    Tbh my partner hasn't got it in her but I have and I'm here if you need a chat too 
    Don't give up it's a test that's all things will work out just not over night 
    I don’t know how to direct message you or I would. Do you know how to do it?
  • stonker01stonker01 Member Posts: 51 Connected
    Not got a clue I'm new on here too if I work it out I will let you know
  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    stonker01 said:
    Not got a clue I'm new on here too if I work it out I will let you know
    Surely someone must know lol
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  • struggle2222struggle2222 Member Posts: 57 Connected
    Hi @stonker01 and @struggle2222, you both need over 25 'reputation' points to be able to start private conversations here. Since you're both now over that, you should be able to.
    Yes but how do you do it?
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    Top right side are 4 icons click on the second one, envelope then click new message
    At the top I just see menu on the right hand side?
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