PIP renewal form

valleyboy

Firstly,I was awarded pip from January 2018 untill December 2019,anyway the dreaded reassessment form came through the door in January of this year where it was completed & returned in February,surprise surprise I've had a decision this morning where they've reawarded me pip from may 2019-2022 without a f2f assessment,Is this normal practice as I thought even though it's a reassessment then a f2f would still need to take place..

wilko

@ Valleyboy, Yes this does and will happen if the information and updated evidence you submitted with your application and is consistent with your conditions, disability in relation to the PIP descriptors then a paper assessment is all that is needed. Well done if your award has remained the same. 

[Deleted User]

Congratulations @valleyboy on your award. I have just recieved form through too. Did you state on your form your conditions had stayed the same or got worse?

valleyboy

@wilko,yes the original award remains the same,only difference is it's increased from a 2year to a 3year award..

@tombcfc,no reassessment form which was completed by a support worked just contained no changes all the way through along with a copy of my repeat prescription..

twonker

valleyboy said:

@tombcfc,no reassessment form which was completed by a support worked just contained no changes all the way through along with a copy of my repeat prescription..

Hey that's a stroke of luck with just marking 'no change' in every box and the only evidence submitted was a copy of your repeat prescription.

The general advice on this site is to treat a review as a new complete claim sending in evidence to support it.

valleyboy

@twonker,well considering I was on a indefinite award of dla "since March 2000" I gather the decision makers has realised this along with requesting further information of my GP in regards to this award..
Meanwhile I'm pointing out the outcome as me myself wernt aware paper decisions could be made..

valleyboy

@twonker,I also forgot to mention that evidence to support a claim is only required if your health conditions as either deteriorated or got better..

twonker

valleyboy said:

@twonker,well considering I was on a indefinite award of dla "since March 2000" I gather the decision makers has realised this along with requesting further information of my GP in regards to this award..
Meanwhile I'm pointing out the outcome as me myself wernt aware paper decisions could be made..

Same here. I was receiving DLA from the mid 90's at the high rate indefinitely. But with PIP it was a different kettle of fish. I have had two PIP assessments and both had to go to appeal. My DLA award was never taken into consideration for PIP - didn't know it could.

As I have said all the advice on here is to treat every review as a new claim submitting full evidence to support it even if there has been no change.

valleyboy

@twonker,my condition still remains the same ie"aint deteriorated or got better" so what's the point in submitting full evidence just for a reassessment hey?
I'm sure my support worker who is a professional by the way would of done that..
My support worker also told me you only basically SUBMIT new evidence if your health related issues as deteriorated..

valleyboy

@ilovecats,You a assessor you say?

mikehughescq

A renewal for PIP is legally just a new claim. It is irresponsible to suggest a new claim should not be supported by as much evidence as is available. 

The same principles apply to a review. I’ve lost count of the number of forms I’ve seen with “no change” on where people were submitted for a face to face because they had submitted “no evidence of entitlement” and then as a result of the F2F lost everything.

A support worker is very unlikely to be familiar with the nuances of PIP and there’s no hard and fast rule that you only put in new evidence if there’s been a deterioration. For starters a deterioration in a condition is not relevant unless it scores extra points. On review you have to prove entitlement. Some people will be able to do that on the back of a well done claim pack. Not everyone may be in that position. It’s also legally dubious to withhold existing evidence and at the tribunal stage it breaches the tribunal procedure rules. 

I have yet to read an AR1 with “irrelevant” information. The AR1 is checked against the previous claim. My experience is that it only takes one small discrepancy in wording and the wheels come off the award.