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pip first said paper based assessment 1 day later they won't a face to face?

ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
edited June 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
hi all on the monday i got letter saying a paper based assessment for my husband with him been under mental health he's been seeing them for months and still doesn't have eye contact yet with physiatrist or CBT persons,Well sent in letter from pysiciatrist stating this and doctor confirms this also sent them a reminder of pip mental health court and also mentioned to them every time his renew was up we had to go to tribunal and that was twice and won on both occasions in fact judge was like here again that time ,
I told the independent assesors this and said willing to go again to court and will win,Then the day after got letter saying they are waiting on avalvibe appointments for face to face 
that was within 24 hours of first letter
I rang DWP and gave them a right ticking off to be told they don't have anything to do with the part that arranges paper based assessments or face to face
All this has set my husband back hes got right into a pickles i have I'm fed up feel drained myself.
How much more evidence do i need to send in to them to do a paper based assessment i know i live with my husband he would not be able to do face to face.
Dont feel i have enough steam in me to carry this on i suffer from fibromyalgia  myself and its all getting on top 
Im asking for some help and advice before i go insane,

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  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 2019
    @ollieconure ...this is a link to the DWP guidelines on paper based reviews - Para 1.5...

    http://https//www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-1-the-assessment-process 

    I don't know whether any of the guidance applies to your husband - it seems not to from a quick look - but if it does I wonder if it might help you if you refer Capita/ ATOS to it when you write to them///


    Hope things turn out OK...
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    I'm assuming there's not enough of evidence to do a paper based assessment. Most people have face to face assessments, it's rare not to have them.
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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,006 Disability Gamechanger
    Not having eye contact but being able previously to attend appeal hearings doesn’t make the strongest case on the face of it but perhaps we don’t have the full picture? The strength of your argument will depend on whether he’s a disabled person under the Equality Act 2010 and therefore entitled to ask for a paper based assessment as a reasonable adjustment. Has his health issue existed for at least 12 months? 
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    yes the severe depression and anxiety started last year but last few months have been under the CBT team and psychiatrist,
    the tribunal we won was 2 years ago and there they asked me to explain most things for him beucse there was no contact or him been able to answer apart from sat in pain and been well stressed, the judge commitment on that straight away.and so did the doctor on the board, they have said because of his depression and anxiety they will not do a home visit becuase he is violant?becuase of his depression doctor wrote them a letter saying if there is too many people around he gets aggravated with his self not others, but they wont do home visit so if they believe they are at risk from a home visit but the joe public is safe around him is that what they are saying?its wrong.Even the bit about they will pay for the taxi there and back,Well that should make his depression and anxiety go away for a few hours absolute ridiculous,He defo cannot do a f2f omg that will be the end of him, i mean the few sessions with CBT will be set back, can i refuse the f2f and ask to go straight to a reconsideration then tribunal willing to go all the way again, even if tribunal is done has a paper based tribunal?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They won't agree to a home assessment if there's any danger to them. If he refuses to attend a face to face assessment then they could return his file to DWP without writing a report and he could be refused PIP. Then the MR/Tribunal will be different because you'll need to make your case for the reasons why he wouldn't attend the assessment. If that decision was overturned either at MR or Tribunal stage then he could end up needing a face to face assessment anyway. This will mean that his file will be returned to the health assessment providers again and the process will start all over again.
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  • drewdundeedrewdundee Member Posts: 49 Courageous
    Hi there, 

    I used to have severe depression and anxiety brought on by an eating disorder I had so i understand how hard it could be i also had the whole irrational thoughts things going on. Thankful i don't suffer with it any longer I don't know much about the whole assessment program im fairly new to the PIP welfare system. I don't want you to get into his life story but for me i didn't feel CBT was helpful. The only way i was able to help myself was tackle the root issue i had. Maybe getting out and seeing other people will help him even if it is for an assessment. Hiding away can't be good.I dunno. I do hope him with your help can sort out your situation with pip.


  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    has far has I've gathered to be exempt form face to face they have to wait for more evidence to come in firstly.Well they haven't even waited i posted it out on thursday last week then got a letter on saturday saying a face to face,I know they have not got the last evidence because i sent it signed for 2nd class and its not there yet so they are breaking there own protocol rules firstly which i will be ringing them tommorow about this 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    has far has I've gathered to be exempt form face to face they have to wait for more evidence to come in firstly.
    May i ask who told you this?
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    it was in one of the part 1 section of exemptions from face to face under mental health if the claimants can not communicate due to lack of knowledge  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Cases that should not require a face to face assessment.

    1.5.5 Although each case should be determined individually, the following types of case should not normally require a face-to-face consultation:

    • the claimant questionnaire indicates a low level of disability, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest under-reporting

    • the health condition(s) is associated with a low level of functional impairment, the claimant is under GP care only and there is no record of hospital admission. This advice applies even if the claimant maintains that they suffer from a high level of functional impairment – it is medically improbable that this is the case and a face-to-face consultation is unlikely to add much useful additional information, since the clinical examination is likely to be unremarkable

    • there is strong evidence on which to advise on the case and a face-to-face consultation is likely to be stressful for the claimant (for example, claimants with autism, cognitive impairment or learning disability)

    • the claimant questionnaire indicates a high level of disability, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest over-reporting – (examples may include claimants with severe neurological conditions such as multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, dementia, Parkinson’s disease, severely disabling stroke)

    • there is sufficient detailed, consistent and medically reasonable information on function.



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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    i rang the assessment place on my husbands behalf today at 1 pm and i know they were waiting on more evidence to be sent in.
    they said they had received all the evidence in on the 21st of june,and the advisor told me it was sent today has a emergency to the other department?and that the face to face for tomorrow was cancelled they said the department that received the emergency forms has cancelled it and its under review?hope this is good news?anyone else had same thing happen to them?
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    Omg wish they would make there mind up. 
    Said they were doing a paper based 
    then get a letter for appointment 
    then a letter saying paper based
    now again a appointment 

  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @ollieconure, I'm really sorry they keep changing their mind, I imagine this is just making it even more stressful, what is the date for the current appointment?
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    23rd july this is taking its toll.my husband had spoke to his cbt therapist the other day and had mentioned to her that all this and not been able to leave his safe space and explain his self he has said (this is making him wont to end it all)ive got a appointment with the gp tomorrow to see if see can speak to the assessment centre on my husbands behalf, since this ive had to give more diazepam to calm him down ive told dwp how hes feeling and what's happening but they wont to see him to ask how its effecting his daily life, O mg he cannot communicate so how can he express his self 
  • reterete Member Posts: 17 Connected
    Hi ya I too have had a right game too but have now got a paper based assessment.  But I do have a medical condition too .  We got our mp to write to them too and they phoned our gp who agreed it would be in possible  for me to attend one . If I was you phone your mp and get them on board and they can speak to them on your behalf too as ours did . Hope you and hub get one as know hiw he must feel it's disgrace hiw we are all being treaded.
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    @ollieconure when I submitted my PIP2 form and all my evidence I made sure all my medical teams evidenced everything and I received a Paper assessment done by Capita.

    My way I got it done is what is stated below.
    • there is strong evidence on which to advise on the case and a face-to-face consultation is likely to be stressful for the claimant (for example, claimants with autism, cognitive impairment or learning disability)

    • the claimant questionnaire indicates a high level of disability, the information is consistent, medically reasonable and there is nothing to suggest over-reporting – (examples may include claimants with severe neurological conditions such as multiple sclerosis, motor neurone disease, dementia, Parkinson’s disease, severely disabling stroke)

    • there is sufficient detailed, consistent and medically reasonable information on function.




      As you can see below in this part of my report and this is only one page of it.




      I hope you get a Paper one. Mine was done as an ongoing award. Both enhanced.


      Wishing you all the best.

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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @ollieconure, I'm sorry this is having such a big affect on your husbands health, this cannot be nice to see. I hope your GP is able to support you with this. If there is anything that the community can do then please do let us know.
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    i have been to gp and she is doing a letter giving them her secretary number to speak to her directly,She also said for me to ring them again and explain that advocacy has a 8 week waiting list so my husband is just waiting to be signed to someone at advocacy 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @ollieconure, thank you for updating us and I'm glad your GP was helpful. If you need anything else then please do not hesitate to ask :)
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    hi ive been in contact with dwp and told them if a home visit was a no go my husbands gp has wrote a letter to them stating a home visit or they wait until 8 weeks until a advocacy was signed to my husband?
    because of the waiting list is 8 weeks' I told dwp that there was no way my husband could attend that face to face and dwp said, they were making a note of this and told me he shouldn't attend the face to face,becuse he has significant reasons why he shouldn't attend they said, and after the 23rd july when the appointment has gone the file should go from assessment centre to dwp,for them to re look at she said don't know if this is correct but thats what they said to me.The case manager from dwp said here self that with the last letter from gp contains significant evidence from gp there should be no reason why a paper based couldn't be done by them she said,But not heard anything yet just a text saying the appointment is on 23rd july thats it,
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    apparently  question 11 of the health asssessors is a grey area? what is question 11 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Member Posts: 858 Pioneering
    edited August 2019
    apparently  question 11 of the health asssessors is a grey area? what is question 11 

    @ollieconure

    Not really understanding what you're referring to? Where has that information come from.

    Here is the latest health professionals guide, you may find the answer there https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-1-the-assessment-process
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    I highlighted everything that's wrong with this country from benefits, NHS, UC etc, but now we have to put up with the hate now that is the Tories. 

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    Try & be kind to one another even if we may have different views. 

  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    really that's been covered by his physiologist they confirmed this that because of his disability he has always had problems communicating with people this had been covered numerous times with them,omg i cannot believe its that question thats stopping them from paper based?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    really that's been covered by his physiologist they confirmed this that because of his disability he has always had problems communicating with people this had been covered numerous times with them,omg i cannot believe its that question thats stopping them from paper based?
    What makes you think that this is stopping them from doing a paper based assessment?
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    up date after 5th time of them saying a paper based would be done,Got another letter saying appointment needed so i rang the health profession today,They said the doctor has confirmed everything they needed and also gp confirmed my husband is so depressed with musckeletal problems that he has told the psychologist he wonts to end his life gp confirmed this to the independent health acessores sorry for spelling,And the person on the other end said (eVEN THOUGH GP HAS CONFIMED YOU HUSBAND HAS MENTIONED ABOUT ENDING HIS LIFE WE STILL NEED TO SEE HIM AT A CENTRE WOULD PAYING FOR A TAXI HELP).
    This is disgusting i thought the high court ruling was if a person that suffers from high levels of depression and anxiety and stress a paper based could be done this is disgusting from them,They might has well stand behind my husband and give him a push of the cliff or road,Ive managed to get hold of glen from advocates to come around and help anyone had any dealings with the advocacy services? 
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    all seems a bit bizarre.

    As I understand it (and I stand to be corrected), if you have a paper assessment, they dont write to tell you that specifically, you find it by virtue of the fact you get a decision without a f2f.

    I have made complaints to the DWP a lot, in writing, and on the phone, and they have never done anything nasty back to me in response.

    e.g. I did a complaint during a WCA, and then went to my MP, I was awarded SG.

    So I think the f2f is purely coincidental.

    Although my complaints never threatened court, they were not extreme in that manner.
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    what happened was they wrote out 6 different times saying paper based would be done then never heard anything, then i rang today and asked after 6 letters of saying they are doing paper based what is happening,They then said they have spoke to the gp that has confirmed his depression and anxiety and restless leg syndrome and the medication he takes,Gp even said she would not prefer a centre to be organised but home visit would be better for him, they said no because of his mental health so gp told them since this is been going on the stress is so bad he's mentioned ending his life to the health professional  at pip, But the pip health profession has said even though they know of how bad he is and even though hes mentioned ending his life a appointment at assessment centre would be better for him?
    the advocacy is the people that help with patients with mental health issues
  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    edited September 2019
    Ultimately if they want a f2f, you going to have to attend.  By refusing to do so I think would only be harmful for the claim.

    I am surprised tho you having such a hard time getting a home visit, as I was granted one without any fuss, and I read that capita are providing them much more leniant than atos.

    I dont want to go into much detail about my personal issues, but when I requested the home visit I stated the reason as the problems I had when I attended my ESA f2f, I wont say on this public site what it was but I detailed those issues on my request and they accepted it.
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    they won't do a home visit becuase they are using mental health a issue that could be harmful to there officers on a home visit,gp comfirmed by telephone to them there is no such risk to them, but they wont have it.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They will only do a paper based assessment if there's enough of evidence to do it, if there isn't then they won't.

    A home assessment will be refused if there's any risk because of mental health.

    If he doesn't attend the assessment then his file could be returned to DWP without a report being done based on not attending the assessment. If this happens then he'll be refused that benefit.
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  • worried33worried33 Member Posts: 399 Pioneering
    Yeah I did get asked if I have ever been violent, which I said no (the truth).
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    up date well its still going on since my first post i had letters saying paper based would be done had 3 of these since and then 2 appointments.
    My husbands gp has wrote them a letter saying she recommends a home visit or paper based due to his severe depression and how this is causing him to talk about ending his life becuase its causing him even more stress,Now new update is again a appointment but dwp have accepted reason of good cause for him not to attend the appointment,
    The gp has done a report stating his everyday needs is support in what ever he does he needs support,
    2 reports from physicalist states severe depression and conginitve behaviour team shows high anxiety,
    Yesterday a letter came saying a appointment had been made so ive rung them again to ask why they said paper based then its a appointment,
    They said its dwp that needs more info and requires a appointment but ive been liaison with dwp though out this process and they have even put a recommendation for a paper based to assessment centre, and they are quite happy with all the info and have stated thats a case worker saying this they have recommended a paper based to them,But assessment centre are sticking at there guns,

  • paffuto10paffuto10 Member Posts: 388 Pioneering
    @ollieconure

    What a *beep* fiasco!! 

    Have you tried your MP? 
    That worked for us. 

    You need to send MP all the info and mark it Urgent. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You say the DWP have accepted reason of good cause for him not to attend the assessment. Have you had this put in writing?


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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    ive been told its on his notes on there side,ive got the names of the 2 case manager that have said this 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'd be very cautious if it was me because usually it's the health assessment providers that decide if a face to face assessment is needed or not.
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    ok so got phone call from DWP case manager today,And he had said when in october i spoke to them DWP case manager had escalated it to there complaints team,And in october the complaints team had contacted assessors telling them to do a paper based assessment in october,Now again they had never been informed about this latest FIASCO,So the case manager had contacted the complaints team manger agin today and told them what has happened and apparently they are disgusted that even with the complaints team telling them its causing too much stress to claimant and a paper based has not been done,They are waiting on why they have ignored even there procedure,So he told me to wait till thursday to find out whats happening,
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,954

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    Hello @ollieconure. It does sound like you've been given the run-around a bit! I really hope you manage to find out on Thursday what's happening. Please let us know. 
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  • pollyanna1052pollyanna1052 Member Posts: 2,007 Disability Gamechanger
    what a farce.......utterly abysmal!
    Best wishes to you and your hubby xxxx
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    too be honest i cant take anymore of it, i suffer with fibromyalgia myself and this is starting to get on top of me i cant sleep i feel depressed myself, its starting to take its toll on me,

  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @ollieconure, I'm sorry to hear this is all getting a bit too much. It sounds really stressful and I hope you are able to get more information tomorrow.

    Do you know anything that might be able to help you sleep? Maybe a hot bath in an evening or reading a book? I know things like this can be difficult when your mind is preoccupied by other things.

    Please do let us know how you get on tomorrow.
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  • paffuto10paffuto10 Member Posts: 388 Pioneering
    Sorry this is continuing @ollieconure :(

    I really hope you find out what's happening tomorrow, once and for all. x
  • paffuto10paffuto10 Member Posts: 388 Pioneering
    Hope you found out something useful and positive today @ollieconure

    Let us know when you feel up to it x
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    got phone call on friday to be told DWP has sent it to there complaints section manager because even there side had told them to do paper based and they are ignoring the complaints section IAS so i was told on friday they would know more in a few days
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I really hope it's not much longer @ollieconure
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    paper based been done had phone call today 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    How are you feeling about it @ollieconure?
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    im just glad its sorted hope its a good outcome?after all this time since june
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Fingers crossed @ollieconure. :)
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    hooray finally got the paper based done for my husband, and he got enhanced care and standard mobility for 4 years,Im so glad its done less stress now, just 1 question
    we are on income support now since 18th October they had been taking 2 lots of carers from our income support but we got a letter saying they owed us £483 becuase we had not been getting carers so they backdated it from 18th october till 12th december,
    but now i got a letter from carers saying they have got the claim for carers and it will be backdated from 18th October till now,
    But my question is becuae income support have paid that amount will be have to repay that money back to income support if carers is been back dated from that day also,
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That's great news! May i ask why they are deducting 2 amounts of carers allowance from your Income support? Is it because you're claiming carers allowance for each other? Or is it because one of you is claiming is for looking after someone else?

    Once you've answered that i'll be able to help you further.
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    That’s correct we care for each other 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Ok thanks for that. One final question and sorry about the questions but this one is really important. Do you live with anyone else over the age of 18 or is it just the two of you living in your house? If you live with anyone else over the age of 18 are they claiming a qualifying benefit such as mid/high rate care DLA or PIP daily living?

    If you have dependent children over the age of 18 that you're still claiming child benefit for then this doesn't count.
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  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    our son is 16years old in college 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As you are both claiming a qualifying benefit then you would be entitled to claim the couples rate of severe disability premium (providing you're claiming child benefit for your son) The SDP is £131.70 per week BUT you will need to cancel the carers allowance claims before you can claim the SDP.

    I see you're claiming Income Support BUT i'm fairly certain that you can claim this without claiming carers allowance because you will still be caring but because i'm not 100% certain on this i'm going to tag a member of our admin team for further advice.

    If it's not possible to do this then it would still be more beneficial for one of you to claim the SDP and stop one of the carers allowance claims because this would still make you £29 per week better off.

    @Joanne_Scope I'm sorry to bother you this morning but could you help advise here please? Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Despite my knowledge i'm really not 100% sure on this and wouldn't want to give incorrect advice.
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  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    Hi @poppy123456,
    It's no bother at all!
    My understanding is that if two people are caring for each other then can they could get the double SDP-£131.70. This would mean they could not claim Carers Allowance. They would still have the underlying entitlement though, so should get two Carers Premiums- £73.70. I think they may be better off if they do it that way. 
    Joanne 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited December 2019
    @Joanne_Scope thanks. I don't think that's correct. They wouldn't receive the carers premium, because of the SDP claim.

    My question was, can they still claim Income Support if they don't claim carers allowance? I'm sure i read somewhere that you can still claim Income support without claiming carers allowance providing you're claiming a qualifying benefit, such as PIP daily living and caring for each other, which in this case both of them are.

    I know it's really confusing and i'm sorry to confuse you. I do know it's definitely more beneficial if one of them cancels carers allowance and claims the SDP. So for example, if the husband cancels the carers allowance he's claiming for the wife then then wife claims the SDP and the wife still continues to claim the carers allowance for the husband. This will give them an extra £29 per week, which is definitely a win win situation.
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  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    @poppy123456,
    It certainly is confusing!
    I am looking at PG 141, section 3. If you look at the info about couples it does seem to say that you can have  2 x SDP and 2 x Carers Premium. 
    I do think that the only way they can keep Income Support is by qualifying as a Carer.

    Joanne 
    Scope
  • Joanne_ScopeJoanne_Scope Scope helpline, Scope adviser Posts: 190 Pioneering
    @poppy123456,
    I don't think that the underlying entitlement to Carers Allowance would be enough to keep the IS so I think your way is best in this case.
    Joanne 
    Scope
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    ive just took photos of what i get i dont wont to upload here or shall i or is someone i need to message them to to work it out thanks

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You can certainly message me a picture of the letter and i'll help you but before doing so please make sure you cover any personal information such as NI number etc.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    ive sent them to you

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    ive sent them to you


    You posted on my wall but it would have been better through a private message. When i have time to look i will reply through a private message but it may not be until tomorrow.
    Proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice I have given to members here on the community.
  • ollieconureollieconure Member Posts: 53 Courageous
    hi so sorry if you could delete them form your wall i can do message i mucked up doing it thanks

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