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PIP claim Supplementary Report

suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
edited July 2019 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hello everyone

My journey started on the 16th April when I rang to apply for PIP. I had my assessment on the 18th June. I was not happy with my assessment as it was rushed and the assessor did not allow me to get my say across. I called and noted my complaints immediately after the assessment ended. I spoke to a guy on the phone who recommended I wrote a letter to the CM to state my concerns. As soon as i got the text saying they had recieved the report, I called and requested a copy of it. Took about 3 days to come. I recieved it and read through it with utter shock. 0 points!! She totally dismissed me and showed no regard to how my illness affects me. Partly this may of been my fault for not knowing how to use the correct terminology when describing how my day to day life is affected. So at this point I started to research how to best get across how my illness affects me. And its then that I realised I do think I am genuinely entitled to it. My worry was I was maybe doing something wrong by applying. I basically then was able to state in medical terms how it does affect me. So in I went my letter to the CM. Yesterday I learnt that my application is currently being worked on by the CM and a QAM. Also that they recieved a supplementary report back from AP that morning. I requested a copy of the report and it was posted out to me yesterday morning.

So that's where I am at and I'm just wondering if it's a good or bad thing that they have requested that from the AP. 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    There's no right or wrong terminology to use when applying for any benefits. Alot of people think that they need help to fill out the form because of this reason.

    All you need to do is fully explain how your conditions affect you against the PIP descriptors and add a few real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.

    No one can really tell you whether it's a good or bad thing at this point. All you can do is wait to receive a copy of the report and take it from there. Once a decision is made if you're not happy then you have 1 month from that date to request the MR followed by Tribunal if that fails. Good luck.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    Thank you poppy mine is very complex so it was very hard for me to get my point across. So in my instance I think it's the right way to go about it but yes I agree that it shouldn't be needed. Apologies if I offended anyone. I'm just curious because the only things I have read about a supplementary report is when they take away points. Me not having any I'm taking it as good news
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    @suzy_sugar2005 I agree with poppy...I don't think it's a case of correct terminology but it is a good idea to have a look at the descriptors and guidance...

    For example "Preparing food" is about making a meal for one from fresh. Includes chopping and open packaging, but doesn't include carrying nor using the oven.

    If you can't do it explain why, and how you cope maybe by using aids or getting someone to help...

    As far as i know you don't need fancy language so "I cannot peel potatoes because my condition means that I cannot grip the vegetables firmly enough in order to be able to use a peeler. I have to use (something) to grip the veg to allow me to peel or chop them.This allows me to chop most vegetables except small/big ones and (how you deal with them) "

    If you don't have some knowledge of what is needed then it's like being in an exam and not reading the question - you'll be talking about things like carrying (which score nothing) when you should be talking about peeling/chopping/using the hob (which score points)
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    Yes agreed but they are all physical things. I dont have physical problems. So how would you describe the effects of that 
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2019
    @suzy_sugar2005 ...I'm sorry I don't know for certain but I think I'd still use the same format. I don't see any difference because someone suffers from an illness that isn't visible - you still need to describe the impact that it has on you and you are the expert on that...

    If I had mental health issues, for example, I'd explain that I couldn't use a hob because my cognitive functions were such that I let pans boil dry, or I couldn't follow a recipe. Or that I had experienced trauma which made it difficult to go out?


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It doesn't matter that you don't have a physical condition, it's still not about using the correct terminology. You just need to explain how you're affected.

    Preparing food, my daughter doesn't have a physical condition either and i just explained what happens why she doesn't have assistance. Why she's not safe using a knife or a hob and what happened the last time she did both without assistance.

    I totally agree that having some knowledge does help.

    Do let us know when you receive the report and if you have any further questions i'm sure someone will help.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    Ok so I used the wrong wording then when I said terminology. I just meant for example with my mental health illness, originally when they asked me how it affected me I put, I dont feel like doing anything. Whereas after researching I explained better by stating when I am suffering from a decompensation I simply dont do anything at all. 


  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    But if anyone has ever come across a supplimentary report do they know if the report is PA6 or PA5 there is also an advice note is the the PA5. This is the confusing bit to me 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Forgot to add that it will be the PA6 that you'll receive.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    edited July 2019
    Thank you poppy some very useful links there. I have read them over the weeks of my application. So if it is a PA6 am I right in thinking they have changed the report from the original assessment report. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Yes, that's correct.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    So given the fact I got 0 points on the 1st report does this suggest a positive change do you think 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Unfortunately it doesn't mean anything because the HCP could think the same as the first one.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    Ok that's what I thought. Its not positive nor negative. I will find out soon enough anyway :0)
  • FetlockFetlock Member Posts: 79 Courageous
    It sounds like the CM who requested further advice (which was provided on the supplementary report) still didn't feel confident about making a decision and so subsequently has gone to a QAM for clarification/advice.

  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    I feel like if I never sent the letter it would of been a straight no. The supplimentary report, will it be a whole new report by a different assessor 
  • FetlockFetlock Member Posts: 79 Courageous
    edited July 2019
    Yes, a different assessor looks at it, with more time to go through everything.
    They'll just address in the report what the CM has asked them to however ie a CM may ask an assessor to look at certain activities, rather than all so it is those that advice will be provided about in the supplementary report.
  • cristobalcristobal Member Posts: 966 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2019
    @suzy_sugar2005 - my additional report may be something different as it's PA3 v2 (whatever that is) but based on the same assessment my points increased from  9DL & 4MOB to 19DL & 22MOB. So they can change when someone takes a fresh eye to it....

    As others have very wisely advised though best not to try and second guess - but wait for the decision.

    Good luck, anyway....
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    Yes I know very well now after reading alot of stories that it could mean anything. But for me I feel successful in even getting a new report. Having zero points i have nothing to lose. 
  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    edited July 2019
    So it wasnt good news and I feel very crappy now after suffering from a melt down for approx 2 hours. So i dont have the correct evidence to legally justify my application. I found out that my doctor can tell them about how it affects me but they only ask after the first decision after rejection. I asked the CM why cant you request it now because the info provided isnt enough to support my claim. So i asked what is the need to make an unnecessary decision and prolong it making me wait longer and suffer more. She was stuck for words. I have the conversation recorded on thier end so if it gets to a tribunal which I dont think it will because I will provide the correct evidence needed now I know what it is. Not a nice process but at least now I know and I can make it undeniable to them with my evidence. Trying to keep strong 
  • April2018momApril2018mom Posts: 2,869 Member
    Welcome

    It is about the ability to do that particular activity safely/independently. For example my child has a physical disability. Moving around is difficult for my son so I explained that in layman’s terms on the form. Similarly he cannot use a bathroom alone (we are working on it) either. Be confident. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm sorry to hear that. You now have 1 month from the date of the decision to request the MR. You should put this in writing stating where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Adding 2-3 real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.

    Avoid mentioning any lies or contradictions that may have been told in the report because DWP and Tribunal won't be interested in any of those.

    There's no correct wording to use when explaining how your conditions affect you. You just simply need to explain it, with as much detail as possible. In a previous comment you said you don't feel like doing anything, when don't you feel like doing anything? You need to explain why, in simple terms.

    I'm not sure why you were advised that they will contact your GP after you've been rejected. They very rarely contact anyone for any evidence. The onus is on the claimant to make sure it's sent to support your claim.

    Only 18% of MR decisions change, so you'll most likely have to take it to Tribunal. Waiting times are huge in a lot of areas and some are waiting as long as 1 year for a hearing date, from the time they accept your appeal. Appearing in person will give you the best chance of a decision in your favour, 74% of those who appear are successful.

    It maybe worth you speaking to a local advice agency near you for help, support and advice face to face. This link will help you find what's available local to you.

    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • Caroline16Caroline16 Member Posts: 10 Connected
    Hi all
    hope your all feeling well 

    I've had some real issues with my PIP assessment, was unhappy with some thing things the assessor said, ( they weren’t true ) I was advised to go for a reconsideration , which I got help with, (benefits officer) they still didn’t agree with me, I got PIP at standard rate, she said she observed me walking 21 mtrs to her office, I explained that was because I’d had a 20 min rest before I walked to her office, and there were days my pain levels hardly allowed me to get out of bed let alone walk anywhere, my reconsideration, stated they agreed with the assessor, I’ve now been advised to take it to court at appeal level, I’m finding all of this very very stressful, I feel they are calling me a lier, I have MS every day is different, on cold wet days I can hardly walk due to balance issues and spasms 
    I’ll let you all know how I get on, feeling very let down if I’m honest, thanks for taking the time to read my rant 
    cheers 
    caroline 

  • suzy_sugar2005suzy_sugar2005 Member Posts: 61 Courageous
    They all let us down. Today I found out that they do care plans and I'm fully eligible so why havent they offered me it. All I have ever wanted is to lead a healthy independent manageable life. So so sad
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