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Three questions

Hi Guys

Firstly I have 3 chronic conditions diagnosed in the following years 1991 - UC, 2008 - Diabetes Type 2 and 2019 - MS.
The latest one is MS in January this year.

a) I know that some conditions were exempt from a medical assessments, does any of those conditions exempt me?

b) I filled in the ESA50 in May 2019, then got documentation about claiming Income-Related; last week I told them I didn't want to claim at this time. I've just received a date for an assessment. I think the assessment is related to not wanting to claim 'Income-Related' and not my health conditions. The 'bod' at the DWP said he'll send a email to the department dealing with the claim in a 'suspicious way'.    

c) Are there any email addresses for various departments in the DWP?

Many thanks in advance, look forward to your thoughts / info.

   

  

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    The reason for the work capability assessment is because you filled out the ESA50 form in May and most people have face to face assessments. It won't be because you declined to claim the income related top up.

    To be placed into the severe conditions group MS is one of the conditions but it depends what type of MS you have, severe and progressive forms of MS is one of the criteria but there's also other criteria too.  For this to happen you will need to be assessed with the face to face assessment and once a decision is made it will tell you on the letter if no further re-assessments are needed.


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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi,

    The reason for the work capability assessment is because you filled out the ESA50 form in May and most people have face to face assessments. It won't be because you declined to claim the income related top up.

    To be placed into the severe conditions group MS is one of the conditions but it depends what type of MS you have, severe and progressive forms of MS is one of the criteria but there's also other criteria too.  For this to happen you will need to be assessed with the face to face assessment and once a decision is made it will tell you on the letter if no further re-assessments are needed.

    Information about the severe conditions group here. https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2017/october/guidance-work-capability-assessment-reassessment-published

    Hi Poppy

    Thanks for your response. What I'm saying is that they could have requested that I attend an assessment any time before I declined the Income-Related top up. But the assessment letter arrived on Saturday.


  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Just to add I'm awaiting treatment for MS, I was given two options in January, one has since been withdrawn. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    The assessment appointment letter will have come straight from the health assessment advisory service, not DWP so you declining the income related top up will have nothing to do with it.

    Future appointment dates aren't classed as evidence for a work capability assessment.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    The assessment appointment letter will have come straight from the health assessment advisory service, not DWP so you declining the income related top up will have nothing to do with it.

    Future appointment dates aren't classed as evidence for a work capability assessment.
    I think you'll find  the DWP controls what the assessment agencies do. 

    I've previously had an assessment and
    all the 'shenanigans' that went on with that assessment. I've
    even had phone calls with DWP, when I've asked for the recordings' they've edited out bits of the call.



  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    DWP have no control over the appointment dates/times/locations, this is purely to do with the health assessment providers for ESA and PIP.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    DWP have no control over the appointment dates/times/locations, this is purely to do with the health assessment providers for ESA and PIP.
    I agree the DWP don't control appointments as such; but they control the need for an assessment to be carried out; even if there isn't actually a need for one.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm afraid you're wrong again. It's the health assessment providers that have control over this too because they are the ones that write the assessment reports and one needs to be written and sent to DWP, whether there's a face to face assessment done or not.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I'm afraid you're wrong again. It's the health assessment providers that have control over this too because they are the ones that write the assessment reports and one needs to be written and sent to DWP, whether there's a face to face assessment done or not.
    That's how it's meant to happen, but from my previous experience that's not the case. 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @rebel11, just to let you know that I have deleted the other thread that was a copy of this one. :)
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    No assessment yet; eventful nevertheless.
  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Had my assessment.
    Two things are annoying even if we put the assessment aside.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    may i ask what is annoying you?
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    may i ask what is annoying you?
    I'm happy to tell you, but not on the thread.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You haven't made enough posts to send a private message to me but i can send a message to you and you can reply. If you would like me to do that, i'd be more than happy to help you further.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    You haven't made enough posts to send a private message to me but i can send a message to you and you can reply. If you would like me to do that, i'd be more than happy to help you further.
    Yes, that sounds like a plan.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Good morning @rebel11, is there anything we can help you with?
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi Chloe

    It's not urgent, but happy to share, but you'll need to PM.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    If you would like to message me when you reach 25 points then please do feel free to get in touch. :)
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    edited October 2019
    Hi Guys

    I've been placed in the 'Support Group'. Odd letter, for a month, they probably got dates mixed up; or they know I'm 'doomed' after that date.

    I'm annoyed that so many people are being treated 'this way'.



  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @rebel11, were you expecting this to happen? If you are unsure if the dates are mixed up then I would recommend ringing them to get this clarified. :) 
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    Hi Chloe_Scope

    Yes on the 'Support Group' bit, but no on the dates; on the last page it says 'the amounts on this page apply from 8 October 2019 to 25 November 2019. 

    Normally it would be a year. I might get a letter around 25th Nov with a year. I might be wrong, lets see. 

    If they find out that I can lift the telephone receiver for a few minutes and speak they might order another pointless assessment which was a total waste of time;

    I spent a couple of days filling in the ESA50 with so much detail and my doctor spent 2 minutes filling in the form he received; but he put the wrong information in the wrong section so all my conditions made me fit for work. 

    Thanks for responding.

     
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    rebel11 said:
    Hi Chloe_Scope

    Yes on the 'Support Group' bit, but no on the dates; on the last page it says 'the amounts on this page apply from 8 October 2019 to 25 November 2019. 

    Normally it would be a year. I might get a letter around 25th Nov with a year. I might be wrong, lets see. 

    If they find out that I can lift the telephone receiver for a few minutes and speak they might order another pointless assessment which was a total waste of time;

    I spent a couple of days filling in the ESA50 with so much detail and my doctor spent 2 minutes filling in the form he received; but he put the wrong information in the wrong section so all my conditions made me fit for work. 

    Thanks for responding.

     
    This happens everytime and worries every single person. It has nothing to do with the length of your award and it doesn't mean you'll only receive your money until November. It's purely because of the Christmas bonus and nothing more. Support Group award is always ongoing but you can be re-assessed anytime from 3 months.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    edited October 2019
    Thanks Poppy123456

    Everything the DWP is confusing; I got about 7 letters from the DWP on the same day, when they could have put everything in a single A4 sheet. It's all designed to create 'stress and anxiety', when there is no need to do so. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Yes indeed, there's nothing straight forward with DWP and the ESA letters are the most confusing of all. Great news about the Support Group decision by the way!
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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Scope Posts: 10,652 Disability Gamechanger
    I hope @poppy123456 has been able to answer your question. :)
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    I hope @poppy123456 has been able to answer your question. :)
    Hi Chloe_Scope
    Yes, I'll wait until the end November, what we know for fact is that the DWP love to send letters, so they'll send something, Let's wait and see.
    Many Thanks.  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    ESA Support Group is ongoing this means you won't receive another letter at the end of November because it will just continue.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    edited October 2019
    ESA Support Group is ongoing this means you won't receive another letter at the end of November because it will just continue.
    Could be; but they might send one to say it continues from 26th November 2019 - to 25th November 2020. Under normal circumstances I would intervene. The DWP doesn't fill me with confidence.

    O/T If I need to act I do, an example, 
    I've been with an energy company for less then a month, I gave them a reading on 27th Sept - 3,000, on 11th Oct it was still 3,000, on 12th Oct they manually changed it to 16,000. On 14th Oct I contacted the CEO of the company, it's back to 3,000; I've already contacted OFGEM. I was speaking to them about my previous supplier. All energy sapping, but it has to be done.    
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    No, they never send more letters because as advised, ESA is ongoing and ESA award letters never had dates on them because you can be reassessed anytime from 3 months.

    The only reason why that letter has a date on it is because of the Christmas bonus and that's why it confuses everyone. You can of course ring to ask for a letter but it will tell you you're in the support group for an ongoing period and it will not state a date.


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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    No, they never send more letters because as advised, ESA is ongoing and ESA award letters never had dates on them because you can be reassessed anytime from 3 months.

    The only reason why that letter has a date on it is because of the Christmas bonus and that's why it confuses everyone. You can of course ring to ask for a letter but it will tell you you're in the support group for an ongoing period and it will not state a date.


    At random previous letters state 10th April 2018 to 26th November 2018 and
    9th April to 25th November 2019.
      
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, that will be the annual letters that everyone receives yearly in April, note the usual November cut off date in each of those letters.
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  • rebel11rebel11 Member Posts: 19 Listener
    But April to November isn't annual.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    April is the annual benefit increases for some benefits, which is why they send letters around that time. November is the date of the cut off period for the Christmas bonus and for 1 week there's 10 extra. This is why the letter only state until this date but there won't be another letter sent after that.

    I'm sorry i can't give you any further advice, it's just the way ESA works and the odd way those letters are always worded.

    You can ring and ask how long your award is for but that just a guide because they can reassess you anytime from 3 months. To be honest, i never ring to ask how long for my claim because the work capability assessment form can come through the door at anytime.
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