when is somebody in power going to listen?

WhileIBreathIHope

paffuto10 said:

@WhileIBreathIHope

I'm not being offensive and I resent that remark. 

I'm simply saying that they've put us all on this different path. 
There is absolutely nothing we can do about it because that's how this country is today. 

So to have any chance whatsoever of getting PIP,  we should listen to advice like poppy's.

It's a battle. Some will win, probably many will lose (even with poppy's or anyone else's advice).

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Private disability denial is monetisation of Disability Denial and normalisation of ABUSE! ( daily disability denials for terminally ill etc) UN delegation saw and reported the same.

Like a mill worker paid tokens to use in mill owners shop, those reliant on welfare are beholden to the DWP cruelty.

Food bank explosion in need another way of keeping people downtrodden.

If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

I used to believe British values were the envy of the world, now it is like a cesspool.

paffuto10

@WhileIBreathIHope

paffuto10 said:

@dolfrog

And think of all the time and money spent on this ridiculous PIP! 

Assessors, DM'S, MR's,Tribunals, etc. 
Not to mention distress and even deaths to clients. 

All paid for with taxpayers money. 

Furthermore, at the risk of being too controversial, isn't this how the nazis started....with disabled people? 

As you can see, the last paragraph here is a similar view to yours. 

WhileIBreathIHope

paffuto10 said:

@WhileIBreathIHope

paffuto10 said:

@dolfrog

And think of all the time and money spent on this ridiculous PIP! 

Assessors, DM'S, MR's,Tribunals, etc. 
Not to mention distress and even deaths to clients. 

All paid for with taxpayers money. 

Furthermore, at the risk of being too controversial, isn't this how the nazis started....with disabled people? 

As you can see, the last paragraph here is a similar view to yours. 

Exactly, the NHS consultants who have seen people and assessment of them- simply swap consultants to review patients they have never met.

Bankers were never held accountable for the chaos the caused.

Austerity is a sham as we rely on fiat currency with an implied value, the government creates spending through guilts and bonds and quantative easing.
The national debt is a fictitious amount plus interest so could be written off with state level  creation of fiat money or by default. ( Iceland did and punished bankers with prison sentences and Greece should)
Globalisation means debts are held internationally.
We are seeing a third industrial revolution and those who a machine can replace will find a self check out or scanner takes their job.

Normal Bodied people aka generic “ non disabled” can’t see it coming- banks won’t care when people default on mortgages or the car they tell you is theirs- but truthfully they are renting as could never afford outright will be taken.
like American sub prime.

Either a country recognises that everyone bar comatose or severely cognitively impaired can play a part in society or we watch Nazi style tactics to normalise ABUSE.

I’m self employed not through choice but no employer will want odd hours and toilet stunk out for hours at a time.
Last year we were keeping our heads above water and according to HMRC my income was £7000. 

This year My last drawings from August to September £650 and £327 month DLA, dreading Christmas as we either buy children nothing or months paying it back.

I see January 2020 as hopeless as our current accounts will be empty and not a clue how to reverse the lack of confidence people have parting with money for a service.

looks like a recession locally as everything grinding to a halt.

WhileIBreathIHope

Note £650/3 months and not £650 x3

dolfrog

poppy123456 said:

dolfrog said:

poppy123456 said:

This is where alot of people don't understand PIP. I'm afraid you are not correct here. PIP replaced DLA yes but that's where it ends. They are different benefits with different criteria. The only benefit award that will ever say indefinite was DLA.

PIP, UC, ESA etc are not the same and there is no definite awards of either of them.

So the government is maninpulating the benefits system by not understanding clinically diagnosed disabilities so that they can employ untrained  and unqualified individuals who ate not qualified to understand the complexities of most disabilities to reduce the benefits bill so that they can reduce taxes. Pure corruption.

PIP isn't about a diagnosis, it's how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors. As everyone is affected differently by these conditions and you never have 2 people the same then it's the claimants responsibility to tell them exactly how their conditions affect them.

Having some understanding of PIP and the work capability assessment definitely helps. Spending some time to do some research would be helpful to everyone.

I'm not getting into a debate with anyone here, which is why i won't be responding to anymore of your replies here on this thread.

Sleep well and goodnight.

The problem is that those assessing PIP have no idea about the conditions and therefore have no idea of how they can affect an individual on a day to day basis. They are not adequately trained or qualified to understand the complex nature of the day to  day problems an individual may experience. 
So PIP has been set up to replace DLA by the government so that they can exclude a diagnosis of any disability to avoid providing the support an individual requires. Most individual who have a disability are not always the best able to describe their daily problems, or self advocate with those they do not know. 

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