Work Capability Assessment decision

sceneparade

Okay 

poppy123456

sceneparade said:

The £495 was for rent. 

So I will be getting: 

UC - £495 
UC - £336
ESA - 224 every fortnight

No, sorry you're still not understanding it. Yes i know £495 is for your rent but it's still a UC element.

You will receive UC £664 (this includes your £495 for rent)

ESA £223 every fortnight.

It's not possible to receive the £336 extra in the UC and the £38.55 extra in the ESA payments.

sceneparade

Okay. 

To make it easier to understand, I just added it as follows:

ESA £292 per month (£146 / week) 
UC £495 + £336 
Total £1123 

+ PIP = £1718

poppy123456

If that's the way you want to work it out then that's ok.  You just won't receive payment that way, you'll receive it the way i worked it out. Confusing for a lot of people when you're receiving New style ESA and UC together. At least you are better off each month, which ever way you look at it.

sceneparade

Okay, thanks

poppy123456

You're welcome

Adrian_Scope

Hi @sceneparade.
Universal Credit can be really confusing and gets more complicated with NS ESA too.

Currently I imagine your UC statement looks something like this:

Standard Allowance: £317
Housing: £495
DEDUCTIONS:
Payment to your landlord: £495
Deduction for overlapping benefit (ESA): £317(ish) 

So you get £0 Universal Credit paid directly to you and then you get £73.10 ESA per week (or £146.20 fortnightly).

Now you have LCWRA both your UC and your ESA should increase.

You should now receive £111.65 ESA per week (£223.30 a fortnight).

Then your Universal Credit will look something like this:

Standard Allowance: £317
Housing: £495
LCWRA: £336
DEDUCTIONS:
Payment to your landlord: £495
Deduction for overlapping benefit (ESA): £483
UC payment: £170

So going forward you should receive:
£170 UC a month (in addition to your housing) 
£111.85 ESA per week
PIP

poppy123456

@Adrian_Scope thanks for confirming my calculations were correct, much appreciated.

sceneparade

Hi @poppy123456 @Adrian_Scope,

I'm now confused. 

I get an additional £336 UC for being In the support group. My ESA increases by £38 per week to £111. However, I lose some of the £336 from UC. So £336 - (4 × 38) = 336 - 152 = £184. 

If I only get £170 then I don't really get 336 extra a month. Because more is taken then given by the above calculations. 

poppy123456

sceneparade said:

Hi @poppy123456 @Adrian_Scope,

I'm now confused. 

I get an additional £336 UC for being In the support group. My ESA increases by £38 per week to £111. However, I lose some of the £336 from UC. So £336 - (4 × 38) = 336 - 152 = £184. 

If I only get £170 then I don't really get 336 extra a month. Because more is taken then given by the above calculations. 

I'm not sure why you're confused, i've tried explaining it in so many different ways, i can't explain it any clearer.

Your ESA increases and so does your UC. The reason why your UC doesn't increase to the full amount of £336 is because your ESA increases. If both the ESA and UC increases to the full amount then you would be receiving the same amount of money twice.

What matters is that you will be £336 per month better off in total. which is 100% correct. As advised, when claiming New style ESA and UC together your new style ESA is deducted £1 for £1 from your UC amount, so there's no financial gain to claiming them both at the same time.

The only advantage is that New style ESA isn't means tested, which means that savings/capital and living with a partner that works doesn't affect the amount, which could potentially be useful in the future.