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If I get turned down for PIP, could this affect my ESA claim?

Hi .  I have ESA with enhanced disability premium, which I won on appeal in a tribunal in 2016. 
Last year I was sent another ESA  assessment form, which I filled in with a supporting letter from my doctor . I sent it back and explained that  I was also waiting for other supporting letters from specialists .  My claim was continued as it is , before I sent in my supporting letters from the specialists , as  ESA with enhanced disability premium, but I was only given six months. 

My question is this : Now  I want to claim PIP .  But I have heard that PIP is hard to get awarded. 
If I get turned down for PIP , could the DWP  reduce my amount of ESA, or , even stop my ESA? 

As I’ve heard that the DWP is using the PIP claims to assess poeples ESA claims . 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    PIP and ESA are totally different benefits, with different criteria. Lots of people successfully claim PIP without any problems at all. If the worst happens and you are refused then it will have nothing to do with your ESA claim in a bad way.

    If you're sent another ESA for some time in the future then this is perfectly normal because they can reassess you anytime from 3 months.
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  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,309 Disability Gamechanger
    @tibetanbells Hello and welcome to the community , I just wanted to say hello. Im not in a position to answer your query but Im sure there are other people that will be able to
  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    Thanks for your replies .  I also asked the ESA people on the phone and they told me it doesn’t make any difference , as they are different benefits.

    However, I have heard that the DWP are  now  using people’s PIP claims to analyse and reassess their claims of ESA. Are there no cases where they have lowered or stopped someone’s ESA when someone was turned down for PIP? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm not sure what you've read or heard but it's not correct because they are different benefits with different criteria as i advised. If someone's ESA was reassessed again when they've claimed PIP or started a claim for PIP then it will be nothing more than a total coincidence because for ESA you can be reassessed anytime from 3 months.

    If it's a review with an existing claim and they are refused then their ESA could be affected depending on what disability premiums they are claiming.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    So you think it shouldn’t make a difference if it’s for a new claim for PIP ,  but , if someone is awarded PIP and then has a review of that claim , which alters their PIP claim, then their ESA could then be affected , lowered or stopped ? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Naturally, if it's a review and the PIP doesn't continue then this can affect any disability premiums they maybe claiming, so the ESA could be reduced BUT as i advised a few times the ESA won't completely stop because they are 2 different benefits with totally different criteria. What you've heard is incorrect.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    Naturally, if it's a review and the PIP doesn't continue then this can affect any disability premiums they maybe claiming, so the ESA could be reduced BUT as i advised a few times the ESA won't completely stop because they are 2 different benefits with totally different criteria. What you've heard is incorrect.
    So , ESA  can be reduced , if someone’s PIP claim is reviewed. Presumably , one of the premiums could be taken away , or they could be taken out of the support group and put in the WRAG. 

    But what about if I was just turned down for the initial PIP claim , or even if I appealed that descision but lost the appeal ?   

    Could the DWP  remove my enhanced disability premium , if I was turned down for the initial PIP claim? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2020
    We seem to be going round in circles a little here. If someone's PIP is refused after a renewal then yes their ESA could be reduced depending on which premiums they are claiming.

    IF it's a first time PIP claim and you're refused then this doesn't affect your ESA, you won't be removed from the Support Group to the WRAG just because you were refused PIP.

    If you're in the Support Group then the Enhanced disability premium is automatically paid so no being refused PIP will not affect this.

    They could of course reassess you anytime from 3 months and if you are reassessed before, during or after a PIP claim then this will be a complete coincidence.

    Not sure what other advice you would like other than this and i hope this helps.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    IF it's a first time PIP claim and you're refused then this doesn't affect your ESA, you won't be removed from the Support Group to the WRAG just because you were refused PIP. 

    If you're in the Support Group then the Enhanced disability premium is automatically paid so no being refused PIP will not affect this. “ 

    I see what you’re saying here .  You say that a first time claim for PIP would not affect someone’s current amount of ESA, including enhanced disability premium .
       
    However , it could potentially affect how much ESA , or the disability premium that you are awarded in the future.  

    Because , the DWP are using PIP claims to assess people’s ESA claims . This has worked to people’s advantage .  Some people who had been awarded ESA, but did not get the enhanced disability premium, or a severe disability  premium , were then awarded these premiums after they had successful claimed PIP . 

    However , I am wondering  if it could also work the other way round , if someone’s ESA claim was reviewed in the future , and PIP had been refused , then that could mean their disability premium could potentially be removed from their ESA. 

    Apparently , according  to what I’ve read on benefitsandwork site , the DWP are planning on combining the two assessments for PIP and ESA , at least the disability premiums aspect ? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    DWP are not using ESA claims for PIP assessments. There was some talk about combining the 2 assessment together but it was just talk and there's no plans at all as yet to do this.

    Not sure what you mean by the disability premiums aspect because there's no assessment needed to be able to claim any disability premiums.

    You also said this .... However , I am wondering  if it could also work the other way round , if someone’s ESA claim was reviewed in the future , and PIP had been refused , then that could mean their disability premium could potentially be removed from their ESA.

    I've answered this question a few times and the answer is still the same, it's not going to change the answer regardless of how many different ways you ask the same question.

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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    Well , on the other thread ,  https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/44422/why-has-my-esa-benefit-reduced-after-my-pip-decision-is-suspended

    I read that an ESA claimant had lost their severe disability premium, (part of ESA) , after the DWP reassessed their claim, after being reviewed for PIP .  That is why   I am wondering , and asking , if this can happen , if people are losing their disability premiums after not  only PIP reviews , but also ESA reviews too as the premiums are linked in some way.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2020
    That was because their PIP claim stopped and they were claiming severe disability premium and to claim this then one of the criteria is PIP daily living so without a PIP award of at least daily living there's no entitlement to SDP.

    If someone's ESA stopped because they were found fit for work then of course the premiums would also stop because they were paid as part of the ESA.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener

    I have read this from online from a help guide to claiming PIP: 

    “A government minister confirmed in November 2014 that ESA85 medical reports - the work capability assessment medical report that is created if you claim Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) – are being used to make decision about PIP.
    We have also heard from a number of Benefits and Work members who have been moved from the work-related activity group of ESA to the support group solely as a result of evidence gathered in the course of a PIP decision. So, it appears that both ESA and PIP reports are being used for purposes that they were not designed for.
    We have yet to see any guidance for decision makers on how to use ESA85s in relation to PIP, though we have asked if any exists, but it is a concern for a number of reasons.
    First, there are huge differences between the two tests, even when they are looking at similar activities.
    In addition, you may have successfully appealed against an ESA decision and the tribunal may have found that different descriptors applied to the ones in your ESA85.
    Alternatively, you may not have needed to appeal because you got sufficient points for ESA, but still consider that some of the descriptors you were awarded were incorrect...

    If you are claiming both ESA and PIP, it is worth taking into account that any evidence you give in relation to one benefit may be used in relation to the other and aiming to be as precise as possible.
    Given that the outcome can sometimes be positive – as with claimants being moved from the WRAG to the support group of ESA – you may even consider there is good reason to bear both sets of criteria in mind when filling in your PIP form in relation to some activities.
    Aside from that, there is probably little you can do except be prepared to challenge findings in your ESA medical report as well as your PIP assessment if you have to appeal a decision in relation to PIP.” 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I've already answered your question. What you have read here is not related to the question you originally asked and i'm not sure exactly what other advice you're asking here.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    You have given me your answers . But my question here is not just for you, it is for anyone with appropriate knowledge or experience to answer.  And it is a topic that should be discussed , that can be helpful for other people who are living  in poverty .

    I am barely surviving  on the amount I presently get, with the constant threat of having the amount slashed to £70 odd a week again .   People who cannot work and people with disabilities are being forced to live off tiny amounts thanks to government policies and they deserve the right facts to help them fight the system and get the support they are entitled to.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I do have the experience and knowledge to answer but I'm not even sure exactly what your question is.

    Yes, if you're claiming PIP then you can send your ESA award as evidence or if you're claiming ESA you can send your PIP award as evidence. Whether they will use those as evidence will totally depend on your reasons for claiming each of the benefits because the descriptors for both are different.

    PIP isn't about your ability to work and ESA is for those with a limited capability for work. Of course the evidence you used can also be used for a PIP claim and vise versa.

    If you think you're entitled to PIP then i'd advise you to start a claim but remember it's not awarded based on a diagnosis, it's how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors. Evidence will be needed to support your claim and this should state how your conditions affect you.

    When you receive the forms you should fill them out with as much information as possible about how your conditions affect you. Then add a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    I know that they are different benefits , and what they apply for.  

    I think I have a chance of qualifying for PIP ,  but I won ESA on appeal . I failed the original ATOS medical .  I want to check that there is no chance of the DWP  , learning that I failed a PIP claim , and then deciding that I don’t  qaulify for enhanced disability premium and cutting my money back , on ESA as I explained before . 

    Although I have more support than I did when I failed the original medical, I have learned that the DWP  are using the  medical assessments of both benefits to assess what people are entitled too. You have already given me what you believe to be the case, that that will not happen .

    I hope you  are right .

    But there is a possibility that  someone else may have more information. 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You say you failed a PIP claim previously, is that correct? Or did you mean a work capability assessment? 

    The reason I know they don’t use a work capability assessment is because I claim both and have had 2 assessments for PIP and 3 for the work capability assessment and they have never used one for the other because as I advised they are completely different benefits. 

    Claiming ESA in the support group doesn’t automatically entitle you to claim PIP.

    You seem to be looking for reasons why you could lose your ESA award. The only way you would lose the enhanced disability premium is if you were placed into the WRAG or you were found fit for work. As you’re already in the support group this premium is automatically paid, when claiming income related ESA. For those in the WRAG they need to be claiming enhanced daily living PIP to be entitled to the enhanced disability premium in with their ESA.

    In my opinion you should concentrate on where and why you should score the points for a PIP award and not on your ESA award/claim. 

    If if you are sent another WCA form and it’s been more than 3 months since your last assessment then it will be nothing more than a coincidence.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    For a better understanding of the PIP descriptors, what they mean and the criteria have a read of this before you start your claim. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/personal-independence-payment-assessment-guide-for-assessment-providers/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-the-assessment-criteria

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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    You say you failed a PIP claim previously, is that correct? Or did you mean a work capability assessment? 


    The reason I know they don’t use a work capability assessment is because I claim both and have had 2 assessments for PIP and 3 for the work capability assessment and they have never used one for the other because as I advised they are completely different benefits. 


    You seem to be looking for reasons why you could lose your ESA award.
    Thanks for sharing that .  I have never tired to claim PIP before. 

    I failed the ATOS medical , work capability assessment for ESA  ( like a lot of other people ) .

    Had the descison overturned on Appeal.   

    I was awarded ESA for a year , and told it would be reviewed again after a year .

      I didn’t understand back then that you have to fill in the ESA50 form all over again when they sent the form out to me , over two years later . (A year late) .

    i was very concerned about losing my money again, as I could not survive again on £70 per week .  Someone on the phone (esa I think) suggested that I claim PIP , just in case . 

    As it happened, I had better support than before and my circumstances were unchanged , and I was given an extension of my ESA.  For now . 

    In the meantime at least I have some more support from specialists .

    Yes, I am concerned about losing ESA . Until I am able to work .   I think I may qaulify for PIP,  but if I don’t , I don’t want  that to affect my ESA claim, now or in the future .

    I already have a guide to filling in the PIP form .

    I have already explained that .
  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    No problem. The timescales they tell you for ESA are nothing more than a guide, which is why ESA decision letters do not state award lengths on them. ESA Support Group is an ongoing award and this is why you were a year later in being assessed last time. Other than you can be reassessed anytime from 3 months, is all anyone can tell you.

    Lots of people are successfully placed into a group without any problems but we rarely hear the good stories.

    Not qualifying for PIP isn't going to have a bad affect on your ESA.

    The link i posted isn't a guide to filling in the PIP form. It's the assessment guide that explains what the descriptors mean in more detail. It's very easy to think that you should score a certain amount of points but it may not be possibly to score as many as you think. Just like it maybe possible to score more points that you think. Have you read that link? If you haven't then i'd definitely recommend that you do.

    Anyway, if you do decide to start a claim, good luck and if a decision doesn't go in your favour then you have the appeal route, starting with the MR.
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  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,085 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @tibetanbells - I'm very sorry to read you're not reassured by Poppy. Now you're not too know, but Poppy has extensive knowledge of the benefit system, & this forum is lucky to have her expertise. She not only has this extensive knowledge about benefits, but personal knowledge too.
    The link she provided above is the best resource for someone going through the PIP system. Why, because it's the DWP's guide for health care professionals that usually conduct face to face assessments that the vast majority of PIP claimants will need to have. Understanding this lengthy link with it's 'descriptors' may help a person decide whether to apply for PIP, or help them make a successful claim.
    My personal experience; I applied for PIP & was awarded the standard rate for both, which I felt was inaccurate as far as the mobility component went, & I'd had a guide from my support group to help me. I went through the stress of a Mandatory Reconsideration, & was awarded the higher rate for mobility. This was all before I'd joined this forum. Now if I'd had the benefit of Poppy's advice, & a better understanding of the 'descriptors,' I might have been more successful in the first place. I was also somewhat lucky with my Mandatory Reconsideration as most are not; if then wanting to further an appeal to a Tribunal, the waiting for this can be a year, or more.
    So, I do urge you to read the PIP link that Poppy provided, & take onboard her advice.
  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    Thanks for sharing your experience , Chiarieds. 

    I was going to ask Poppy123456  if she could  tell me how she has gathered her general knowledge of these benefits , whether it is not only from personal experience as a claimant , or is she / was she in the past , employed by the DWP . 

    I have seen that there is also a guide designed for helping people to claim  PIP available to the Benefits and Work site . 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @tibetanbells the answer to your question is no, i have never and i will never work for DWP. Most DWP advisers have very little knowledge of the benefits system because all they do is read from a screen.

    As my friend @chiarieds has correctly advised my knowledge is my own experience plus extensive research over several years.
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  • BensonBenson Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Hello!

    I just had my PIP claim refused and now they also stopped my ESA. Why is this? I thought they was separate benefits?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Benson said:
    Hello!

    I just had my PIP claim refused and now they also stopped my ESA. Why is this? I thought they was separate benefits?

    Hi and welcome,

    Yes, they are different benefits, with different criteria and your PIP being refused won't stop your ESA completely.

    Your ESA could have been suspended because of the PIP refusal which does often happen. It doesn't mean your ESA has completely stopped. ESA can't stop unless you've either been found fit for work or you were claiming Contributions based in the WRAG and then payments are only made for 365 days and then they stop.

    If you live alone and were claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA then this is the likely cause for the ESA being suspended. Have you rang DWP regarding your ESA?

    For your PIP refusal then you have 1 month from the date of the decision to request the MR which should be put into writing stating where and why you think you should have scored those points. Then add a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.
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  • BensonBenson Member Posts: 5 Listener
    I only found out no ESA was put into my account last night when the phone line was closed. 

    My ESA is for depression and anxiety and that is all on my doctors records, i applied for PIP due to an ongoing shoulder injury.

    Why would they stop my ESA if its for a different reason i applied for PIP?

    I have suicidal tendencies and bad anxiety and now they have stopped my ESA its making me worse.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As i advised, it's most likely been suspended because of the PIP refusal. Other than that if you haven't missed a work capability assessment recently or you weren't in the WRAG claiming Contributions based then there's no reasons why your ESA should have stopped.

    Unfortunately, we could only guess the reasons why and you'll need to wait until Monday morning to ring them and ask. If it's an error then you can ask for a same day payment and you'll receive your money in the bank before the end of the day.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    As i advised, it's most likely been suspended because of the PIP refusal.
    So , there is a possibility of ESA being stopped or affected by new PIP claims . 
    Which means that the DWP are using PIP claims to influence ESA decisions.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 2020
    As i advised, it's most likely been suspended because of the PIP refusal.
    So , there is a possibility of ESA being stopped or affected by new PIP claims . 
    Which means that the DWP are using PIP claims to influence ESA decisions.

    No, that's not what i advised at all. If you read what i said then a PIP refusal can temporary suspend an ESA claim. PIP and ESA are different benefits with totally different criteria and one doesn't affect the other, in a bad way, as advised.

    There could be many different reasons why the ESA payment hasn't been made to Benson and we could only guess the reasons why.
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  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    As i advised, it's most likely been suspended because of the PIP refusal.
    So , there is a possibility of ESA being stopped or affected by new PIP claims . 
    Which means that the DWP are using PIP claims to influence ESA decisions.

    No, that's not what i advised at all. If you read what i said then a PIP refusal can temporary suspend an ESA claim. PIP and ESA are different benefits with totally different criteria and one doesn't affect the other, in a bad way, as advised. 
     
    Even if a ESA claim is suspended temporarily, this can have serious consequences for people’s lives .  So , we cannot really say that PIP claims cannot affect ESA claims in a negative way, ( unless we are certain that Benson’s claim for ESA was suspended for a different reason. ).
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry but you are twisting it all out of proportion. You can NOT be found fit for work without a face to face assessment, unless you either failed to attend or failed to return the work capability assessment and that's a fact.
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  • scotleagscotleag Member Posts: 88 Courageous
    Hi @tibetanbells I'd take what @poppy123456 says on board. She/he has given sound advice to me. If it puts your mind at rest I was turned down and awarded zero points on an initial PIP assessment in June last year. I had an ESA re-assessment in November. I was moved from WRAG to support group so my PIP assessment had no impact whatsoever. I doubt the assessor was even aware I'd applied and been turned down. I subsequently won PIP on appeal but that was almost three months after my ESA re-assessment
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @scotleag thank you for that, much appreciated. Just so you know, i'm a she :)
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  • Firefly123Firefly123 Member Posts: 525 Pioneering
    You won't find anyone better than @poppy123456 to give you good advice and has helped me a lot in understanding the benefit system. 
  • tibetanbellstibetanbells Member Posts: 17 Listener
    edited February 2020
    Sorry but you are twisting it all out of proportion. You can NOT be found fit for work without a face to face assessment, unless you either failed to attend or failed to return the work capability assessment and that's a fact.
    I am twisting anything out of proportion , thankyou very much . If what Benson has written is true then it means that claims for ESA can be negatively impacted by having PIP claims refused.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I've given all the advice that i can give here and i won't get into a disagreement any further with you. I'll make no further comments here. Enjoy the rest of your day. :)
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  • scotleagscotleag Member Posts: 88 Courageous
    @scotleag thank you for that, much appreciated. Just so you know, i'm a she :)
    Yes, I thought so given your user name but you can never be 100% and I've no wish to offend, albeit inadvertently.
  • BensonBenson Member Posts: 5 Listener
    edited February 2020
    My ESA was not paid into account on Thursday and my letter refusing PIP came on friday. 

    I'm in alot of stress and depression right now as im left with no money until i can find out on monday. 

    It doesn't make sense they would stop my ESA for mental health when my PIP claim was for a shoulder injury.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Benson said:
    My ESA was not paid into account on Thursday and my letter refusing PIP came on friday. 

    I'm in alot of stress and depression right now as im left with no money until i can find out on monday. 

    It doesn't make sense they would stop my ESA for mental health when my PIP claim was for a shoulder injury.

    May i ask if you were transferring from DLA or whether this PIP claim was review of an existing PIP claim?

    Is there also any reason why you didn't put down all of your conditions for your PIP claim? PIP is awarded based on how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors.
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  • BensonBenson Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Benson said:
    My ESA was not paid into account on Thursday and my letter refusing PIP came on friday. 

    I'm in alot of stress and depression right now as im left with no money until i can find out on monday. 

    It doesn't make sense they would stop my ESA for mental health when my PIP claim was for a shoulder injury.

    May i ask if you were transferring from DLA or whether this PIP claim was review of an existing PIP claim?

    Is there also any reason why you didn't put down all of your conditions for your PIP claim? PIP is awarded based on how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors.
    I have been on ESA for a while, also i have an ongoing shoulder injury which prevents me from doing alot of things so i thought PIP could help with that.

    I didnt think i needed to discuss my mental heath at PIP as i was getting ESA for that. I did say at the assessment this is just for my shoulder issue.


  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Benson said:
    Benson said:
    My ESA was not paid into account on Thursday and my letter refusing PIP came on friday. 

    I'm in alot of stress and depression right now as im left with no money until i can find out on monday. 

    It doesn't make sense they would stop my ESA for mental health when my PIP claim was for a shoulder injury.

    May i ask if you were transferring from DLA or whether this PIP claim was review of an existing PIP claim?

    Is there also any reason why you didn't put down all of your conditions for your PIP claim? PIP is awarded based on how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors.
    I have been on ESA for a while, also i have an ongoing shoulder injury which prevents me from doing alot of things so i thought PIP could help with that.

    I didnt think i needed to discuss my mental heath at PIP as i was getting ESA for that. I did say at the assessment this is just for my shoulder issue.


    PIP is awarded based on how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors. When filling out the form, you should put down all of your conditions and how they affect you and not just some of them.

    You didn't answer my question, whether you were claiming DLA before you applied for PIP? I'm just trying to think of a reason why your ESA hasn't been paid and if you were previously claiming DLA before you applied for PIP. If you weren't  then the only other reason why it would stop was if you failed to attend a work capability assessment recently. It can't stop because you've been refused PIP because they are different benefits.

    It's really difficult to advise because we can only guess why your ESA hasn't been paid and all you can do is wait until Monday morning and ring them when they open at 8. When you've done this please come back and let us know the reason why you didn't receive payment when you should have.

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  • BensonBenson Member Posts: 5 Listener
    Benson said:
    Benson said:
    My ESA was not paid into account on Thursday and my letter refusing PIP came on friday. 

    I'm in alot of stress and depression right now as im left with no money until i can find out on monday. 

    It doesn't make sense they would stop my ESA for mental health when my PIP claim was for a shoulder injury.

    May i ask if you were transferring from DLA or whether this PIP claim was review of an existing PIP claim?

    Is there also any reason why you didn't put down all of your conditions for your PIP claim? PIP is awarded based on how your conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors.
    I have been on ESA for a while, also i have an ongoing shoulder injury which prevents me from doing alot of things so i thought PIP could help with that.

    I didnt think i needed to discuss my mental heath at PIP as i was getting ESA for that. I did say at the assessment this is just for my shoulder issue.


    PIP is awarded based on how those conditions affect your ability to carry out daily activity based on the PIP descriptors. When filling out the form, you should put down all of your conditions and how they affect you and not just some of them.

    You didn't answer my question, whether you were claiming DLA before you applied for PIP? I'm just trying to think of a reason why your ESA hasn't been paid and if you were previously claiming DLA before you applied for PIP. If you weren't  then the only other reason why it would stop was if you failed to attend a work capability assessment recently. It can't stop because you've been refused PIP because they are different benefits.

    It's really difficult to advise because we can only guess why your ESA hasn't been paid and all you can do is wait until Monday morning and ring them when they open at 8. When you've done this please come back and let us know the reason why you didn't receive payment when you should have.

    Sorry i said ive been claiming ESA only.
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