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PIP assessment - if it goes badly what are my next steps?

darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
edited June 2020 in PIP, DLA and AA
My boyfriend had his assessment on 17th June after 7 months waiting after He was grilled for 1 hour and 45 minutes now my brain is fried from his shouting abuse at the wall that the whole process was to take the p..s out of him he suffers with E.U.P.D. And all sorts of other mental health problems which is to long to list he was sexually abused as a child by the people who were meant to care for him and his drunken dad use to physically assault him when he went home which was daily and this went on for many years I have to live with the by product of this which believe me isn’t easy at all I need help with all this what I’m asking is what happens if they go the other way what are my next steps please

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  • steve51steve51 Member Posts: 7,175 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @darceyD9

    Good Afternoon & Welcome it’s great to meet you today.

    I am one of the Community Champion’s here at Scope.

    Sorry to hear about your current situation/problems.

    I will forward your post onto my good friend here at Scope.

    He will be able to offer you some help/advice.

     Hi @Adrian_Scope

    Can you please offer me some help with this post ?????

    @steve51

  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,265 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @darceyD9 Welcome to the community, you didn't state what the assessment was for ?

    If it was PIP or WCA either way the process is the same, if the decision isn't what he thinks is right then he can put n a mandatory reconsideration and he has 1 month from date of decision to do this. This will all be detailed in his letter.

    Most MR decisions remain the same especially if no different information is given. If the MR fails then it would be an appeal tribunal

    I would wait and see what the outcome is and then we can give more specific advise
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    Pip assessment and okay will keep you posted 
  • chiariedschiarieds Community Co-Production Group Posts: 8,063 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @darceyD9 - Welcome to the community. I'm very sorry for the distress his PIP assessment has caused you both, & have some personal understanding as to what you're going through; it certainly isn't easy. Does he have any help/therapy for his mental health, & do you get any support?
    May he look at Dialectic Behaviour Therapy, which may be a helpful as far as his EUPD goes? There is also some info that his EUPD/BPD may be due to complex PTSD. Please see: https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/complex-ptsd/

  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    He is on 450 mg of seroquil (quitiapin) a day he has rheumatoid arthritis to the point he can’t move most days as for help and support he was assessed by thinkaction who said that they could only offer 8 weeks help and they feared that would only make him worse so they couldn’t help then had to go to mental health clinic but lockdown happened and they referred him back to doctors but the thread you posted seems to be more like what he suffers from thank you I will speak to doctor 
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    Just an update the report went to Audit the DWP’s received it Wednesday 30th June decision made 2nd of July 0 points told on phone earlier requested report said I want mr must wait for decision letter **** are they doing to people 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,798 Disability Gamechanger
    With the MR focus on where he didn't score points but you think he should have and why, keep in mind that 17% of MR's succeed. If MR fails then it's appeal time, try and get help with that from CAB or welfare rights if possible.
    Good luck
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,265 Disability Gamechanger
    Ho again 

    Sorry to hear the outcome as advised before once you get decision letter you have 1 month to do MR details how will be in decision letter

    Go through report and for each descriptor you think should have scored more give reason why giving real examples of what happens when he tries to do task 

    If you say same as in assessment you will likely get same result and only approx 16% of MR are successful

    Next stage is tribunal 
  • dawny63dawny63 Member Posts: 35 Connected
    Sounds familiar.  Husband got 0 points after telephone  assesment.  Osteoarthritis  in knee and  both  hips.  Mr started. 
  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 3,798 Disability Gamechanger
    It has to be said that telephone assessments overall favour the claimant v face2face assessments.
    my advice is given freely and is correct to the best of my knowledge.
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    Not in this case @woodbine and in a lot of others that I have read about 
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    Thanks for replying people it will go to tribunal if needs be it’s not nice to be called a liar it’s bad enough seeming to beg but it will go all the way
    peace 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    What the I was reading this I cant believe they awarded your partner with 0 points makes me nervous for my Telephone appointment now Im on quatiapine and sertraline and quatiapine does effect your muscles along with the other side affects where do these people get there points from ? I have heard of people not being able to walk and gettting 0 points its really stressful for you both I hope it gets sorted asap 
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    @cupcake88 thank you also decision is meant to take 6-8 weeks if you’re lucky. 2 days it took and the man on the phone said you scored 0 points so you won’t get it is there anything else I can help you with heartless but all down to this forum I’ve got a lot of good advice so welfare rights, mind, and his probation officer who knows he cannot be near people he doesn’t know so cannot go anywhere alone through what can happen and him being locked up so appealing we are to treat someone this way is disgusting hope you have better luck
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    How could he have scored no points that is so wrong I’m so sorry you have to go threw this . I’m very glad I joined this forum but it’s also sad to see how many people go threw all the same stuff I have . It’s really a absolute joke . 

    I mean iam very lucky my partner takes good care of me he pays all our bills so I don’t have to worry he makes just bout enough to support us both and yet I’m seriously ill and all I can get is pip which is effort to get . 

    It’s really unfair that people have to go threw this mess about just to get what your owed . I really hope you get it . 

    I’m guessing you can appeal but of course that’s very time consuming and stressful . 


  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    I have to wait for the report to see but if you can talk on the phone I suppose there can’t be anything wrong with you but if you can’t talk on the phone then you can’t have assessment therefore no points rock and hard place also if you have some sort of idea about your illnesses then you can overcome them if only that were true 
  • FetlockFetlock Member Posts: 79 Courageous
    woodbine said:
    It has to be said that telephone assessments overall favour the claimant v face2face assessments.
    I don't think they do at all.
    Over the phone they don't see poor eye contact, trembling and sweating that might be present face to face, and I imagine mental health difficulties are very hard to gauge over the phone, especially when many would be more relaxed on the phone and in the comfort of their home "safe" environment.
    Likewise, with physical conditions - they can't see someone shifting position because of pain, using furniture to help them stand, have no physical exercises to base an opinion on etc.
    So much is lost over the phone. .
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,001 Disability Gamechanger
    I’m afraid I agree with @woodbine here and have an awful lot of evidence to fall back on after 3 months. There is an absolute consensus in the welfare rights world that, whilst there are a small proportion of people for whom face to face might be a benefit, the reality is that telephone assessment has overwhelmingly worked in favour of claimants regardless of condition. 

    Interestingly the very things you suggest a HCP might not spot are the very things they use against claimants. They don’t work in claimants favour at all and never have.

    Eye contact is never mentioned as a thing the claimant avoids. It’s only ever mentioned, mostly wrongly, when a HCP asserts it was good. HCPs will routinely record when someone didn’t appear to be in pain rather than when they did. Telephone assessment removes the judgemental **** and have been a clear positive.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 874 Pioneering
    Yeh I have heard the same they turn your emotions against you my friend got marked down in points because she was holding her mums hand . I think phone would be better even tho it still makes me nervous . I haven’t heard from them yet been waiting since Feb hope they haven’t forgot me 
  • gillian72gillian72 Member Posts: 293 Pioneering
    Oh dear I think I've messed up my p2p pip assessment had it all wrote down ready when he started asking about mh I said the last time I took them was 11yrs blahh blahh then said so how old would u have been then I couldn't work it out an was getting aggy so I said oh look I' was. 47 when I wentback on them an carried on with the question so confusing started then I was asked if. I had seen a neurosurgeon I got confused thinking he was talking about my brain Mir scan an getting anxiety an angry when he kept jumping in asking me stupid questions an I was forgetting what I was talking about an had to keep asking him, it's been annoying me thinking why he was jumping in an I've started remembering now that my pip claim wasn't based on brain scan probs now I think I've messed it up he must of thought I'm a right loony lol 😜😜
  • darceyD9darceyD9 Member Posts: 11 Listener
    The nurse who done the assessment has wrote in her report that my oh can walk a 120 meters in 120 seconds and reckons he said that lol he has arthritis in both hips and knees and uses a walking stick but he can walk 1 meter a second anyway she has misses some very crucial things out 
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