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  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,431 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome,

    Sorry but i don't agree with some of what you've said here. What you have to think of here is that this virus isn't going to go away over night, it's here to stay for the foreseable future. You can't hide away forever because life does go on. Before the most vulnerable people were advised to shield they did go out and go about their everyday life. Until suddenly they were advised to "shield" for 3 months, which was extended. There's no difference now to what it was like before lockdown was put into place.

    Face coverings are now mandatory in England and Scotland and i'm sure Wales will follow in the coming weeks so this will help the spread of the virus.

    Not everyone in the shielding group has a disability. I know of some people that are in this group and have no disability. Likewise, there's people with a disability that are not in the shielding group, like myself. I also know people who are disabiled and not in the shielding group.

    The Government can't continue to support people for the foreseable future, it's just not viable because there's over 1.5m people in the most at risk group and that would cost a huge amount of money.

    Before anyone says anything yes, i'm disabled and no i'm not in the most at risk group but even if i was i certainly wouldn't expect this level of support. Yes i claim benefits because of my disability and i'm unable to work because of it but if i did work i wouldn't expect this level of support.

    Throughout the lockdown people have continued to work and live with the most vulnerable people but they've stayed safe because of strict hygeine rules when returning home by the person that's continued to work.

    I wish you goodluck with the petition but no signing from me, sorry.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 15,112 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome to the community

    I am sorry I tend to agree with Poppy and feel the government have provided over and above that of other countries and it has to come to an end at some time.

    I too am disabled and not working due to my disabilities

    I think those on benefits including myself have been looked at there has been an increase in base rate for UC for period 12 months, and some councils have reduced council tax 

    We have to get on with our lives be it a bit different as this wont go away until an effective vaccine is found and the whole population immunised
  • katho31
    katho31 Posts: 692 Connected
    Ive just signed the petition @Sarahwk many thanks 
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    Interesting area, I’ve just spent a week at some online seminars from the Public Law Project celebrating 10 years of the Equality Act. One of the big takeaways was that the government are deliberately using vulnerability as a means to undermine EA10 and the HRA. 

    There was, for example, no need to define those who need to shield as “vulnerable”. It just need to say “all those defined as disabled under EA10 plus...”. The use of vulnerability means that you’re led away from the idea that you have the right of challenge and towards the idea that your only hope is safe-guarding guidance. 

    Supermarket slots were another great example. Disabled person who’d had a shopping slot for 13 years ago because of their disability but loses it overnight when vulnerability becomes the criteria. Several EA10 challenges caused supermarkets to rethink.
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 7,151 Disability Gamechanger
    I rarely if ever sign petitions as they rarely achieve anything. So i'm sorry but I won't be signing
    Be extra nice to new members.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Posts: 8,845 Connected
    woodbine said:
    I rarely if ever sign petitions as they rarely achieve anything. So i'm sorry but I won't be signing
    Precisely why the government introduced them. Makes people feel like they’ve a voice but... not really. Blunt instrument in an age which requires something much more sophisticated. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 28,431 Disability Gamechanger
    Seems like the petition has now closed....
  • katho31
    katho31 Posts: 692 Connected
    Hi i wish i hadnt signed the petition, I've not completed the form, it was requesting money for a variety of causes and very long and drawn out. just my opinion, I give to charity as do many, thanks


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