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(Carers Element) Universal Credit

Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
Hi, I’m just wondering if anyone on here possibly knows more about the carers element what I’ve claimed for and It’s been verified  and I asked them to backdate it because I didn’t report the change earlier but I told UC I never got told to and soon as I did I reported the change that im caring And now it’s with a decision maker, I’ve had 2 payments of £9 which got deducted for caring which I should get my Carers element backdated from them as well as this month as well, please let me know? 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome,

    I answered this on another thread where you asked the question.

    It will depend on a few things. Does the person caring receive the LCWRA element?
    Does the person being cared for receive a disability benefit such as PIP daily living/DLA mid/high rate care or Attendance Allowance?
    Did the person caring report being a carer? and when? It can be difficult to get this element backdated unless they reported this when you actually became the carer or when you first claimed UC, which ever came first. .

    I'm not sure what you mean by £9 that got deducted for caring.
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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,954

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    Hi @Connor_Delaney77. They do backdated the carer element in some circumstances but it depends on whether they accept your reason for 'late reporting'. Am I reading your post correctly that they've been deducting Carer's Allowance from your UC for the past 2 payments? If so, you could try to argue that as they deducted Carer's Allowance they knew you were a carer and being in receipt of Carer's Allowance entitles you to the carer element. Let us know how you get on. :)
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Yeah, I’ve had two payments so far whilst caring and they’ve been deducted and been leftwith £9 from two payments that’s because I’m caring but I never told them at time I was but they should already know this? And I’ve had to phone up and ask what else I can claim they said I needed to report a change I’m caring so I did that straight away and then I’m just waiting for the backdate it’s with a decision maker, the person I care for is reviving PIP as well.
  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    I am entitled for them two payments ££9 backdate  and this payment coming what’s been verified in my journal, they said “that carers element is added and will be in your next payment” So that’s 3 months backdate it’s £486 all together, I’m surely they will take it off as well!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    As you're claiming carers allowance then yes it's deducted in full from your UC payments. If you're not working and receiving any other income then there will be no further deductions from your UC.

    Just so that you're aware, when claiming UC you don't need to claim the carers allowance to be able to claim the carers element of UC. The only difference to claiming the carers allowance is it pays class 1 NI credits and UC pays class 3.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    I’m not working, I haven’t been for 4 months, so would the y deduct the carers element when I hopefully get it backdated? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Deduct the carers element from what? There's nothing to deduct it from.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    I don’t know that’s what universal credit are like, they can take money off it 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2020
    That makes no sense because if there's nothing to reduce your maximum entitlement by then how can they reduce it.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    They’ve took full money off off my UC PAYMENT because IM caring and I was just thinking if they would so same with my carers element I’m getting 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes because that's exactly what should happen. Claiming carers allowance means it's deducted in full from your UC payments. They very often don't add the carers element when claiming the UC because you have to report the changes on your journal.

    They wouldn't reduce your carers element because there's nothing to reduce it with.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Thanks, does advance what I have to re pay get deducted from that?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. The advance payment does need to be repaid back and yes they can and do reduce your furture payments.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    So my backdate then I receive will get money took off from the advance  I owe them 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I have no idea when they will start to reduce your UC to repay the money you owe them but advance payments always need to be repaid back. Your work coach should have advised you this when you claimed the advance loan.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Does any one no how long it takes for decion maker 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    There's no timescales. Hopefully you won't be waiting too much longer.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Thanks for your time 
  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    As any one ever received a Carers Elemnt backdate? Any info on the backdate?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Yes there has been some threads on here in the past where people have received backdated money from this. Of course it does depend on whether you reported being a carer but as you're claiming carers allowance there shouldn't be any issues.

    All you can do now is wait.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Okay thank you very much 
  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Is it possible it can be backdated same as how much I got backdated from Carer’s Allowance?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    How long have you been claiming UC?
    How long have you been claiming Carers allowance?

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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Since January this year I’ve been on UC for and I’ve been claiming Carers allowance since 17/10/19 last year but didn’t get it back paid till May time this year but I’m entitled to May June July because I didn’t get carers element then  and august coming up

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It's possible that it maybe backdated to January bgut it won't be the same amount as the carers allowance because it's less money per month. Carers element is £162.92 per month.

    When your carers allowance was awarded i'm assuming you received backdated for this, which was backdated to 17/10/19 yes?
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  • davegregson40davegregson40 Member Posts: 81 Pioneering
    yes I get the carers element of universal credit.  From what iI am seeing on my account is that there is the basic UC then the carers element and the carers allowance is taken off to give a monthly total.  I believe the UC is means tested but not the carers allowance like PIP. I do know for definite that UC is reduced by increments when you have savings of over £6000 but less than £1600. If you have over £1600 then you dont get UC at all. I have never had anything like that though in savings. 
  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    yeah I know it will be 162 a month, My letter said I was entitled to £66.15 a week from 17/02/2020 to 29/03/20 and 13/04/20 to 07/06/20 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    yeah I know it will be 162 a month, My letter said I was entitled to £66.15 a week from 17/02/2020 to 29/03/20 and 13/04/20 to 07/06/20 

    If you received backdated money from the carers allowance then there will also be an overpayment of this from the time you started your UC claim. This is because carers allowance is deducted from your UC and you can't be paid it twice. If you haven't been contacted by UC for this then you will sometime in the future and it will ask you to repay it back from future UC payments. Just incase you weren't aware of that.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Yeah I know , what’ do you mean about  overpayment of this? And I’m entitled to the carers elemnt im just waiting for decision maker to look at it and backdate it 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Did you receive backdated money for the carers allowance claim?
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Yes I was entitled to  3 months
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    That's what i thought. As you were claiming UC from January, then there will be an overpayment of the carers allowance. This is because you can't receive them both at the same time. As that was mostly likely not deducted from the UC then there will be an overpayment.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    So what’s that mean then? I won’t get the carers element  backdated is that what your saying?
  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    edited July 2020
    This is the letter to look at for better info?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 2020
    The letter you have here shows all your personal information, including your home address. This is a public forum which anyone can view the threads. For safety of our members we are not allowed to post personal information like this. I have reported this to admin who will hopefully remove your comment ASAP.

    The reason you will have an overpayment for your UC is because of the backdated money you received for the carers allowance. This happens to everyone that claims carers allowance and UC at the same time and receives the backdated money. You can't claim the money twice and you will have already received it with the UC payments.

    Yes, you'll still be enttiled to the carers element because they won't take the overpayment in full. They will ask you to pay it back from future UC payments. so smaller amounts each month.
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  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Testing team Posts: 7,954

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    Hi @Connor_Delaney77, I've replaced your letter with one covering your personal information for your privacy. If you'd like me to remove the letter entirely please let me know.

    Thanks for the report @poppy123456. :)
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Thanks I totally forgot, and yeah I know so when I receive my carers element they take small amounts off each month?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They will contact you and you won't have to repay it all back at once.
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  • Connor_Delaney77Connor_Delaney77 Member Posts: 30 Listener
    Thank you still waiting to hear back from decision maker 🤷🏾‍♂️Hopefully not for long 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome.
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  • davegregson40davegregson40 Member Posts: 81 Pioneering
    yes carers allowance was £66.15 up to April 1st and it is always backdated to the day of application
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    yes carers allowance was £66.15 up to April 1st and it is always backdated to the day of application

    It's not always backdated to the date of application. Sometimes it's refused but it does of course depend on circumstances.
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