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Who will be in line for an electric car?

HxrryHxrry Member Posts: 4 Listener
I know I will be! what's your thoughts?
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    Before i choose my current mobility car i had a 48 hour test drive of a Mini countryman and that was plug in electric and it was very annoying. The thought of going out and having to charge the car before, during and after is just too much effort for me, so i would say no to this version. Although the hybrid, sounds good a choice.
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  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,257 Disability Gamechanger
    If I lived somewhere where I could have a charge point fitted then yes I would.  I only do very low mileage and have suffered with DPF problems on diesels for the last 6 years, but not been able to run a petrol.  Now I can run a petrol they also come with GPFs (gasoline particulate filters) which also don't like short journeys!  So really full electric would be best for me.

    The current car I'm looking at is a mild hybrid (MHEV) which basically has a small electric motor and 48v battery to boost the petrol engine.  Giving more power and better efficiency but without ever having to charge the battery yourself as it recharges as you drive.  I'm sceptical as to how much real world difference these MHEVs actually make, but seems like a good compromise until the full electric infrastructure is improved.
  • HxrryHxrry Member Posts: 4 Listener
    Awesome! I think with the way things are going that they will find a way for everyone to have the electric option but I purchased a Toyota C-HR & i find average mpg is amazing compared to any other car I have owned (Y) 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    I couldnt cope with a plug in electric car  it  wouldn't suit me at all  I have driven a hybrid   which is better but uses more petrol  than electric   I would rather drive the old type cars 

    On another post I was talking about cars and my newest car  is a peuogot  yes I like it but I actually got locked inside my car but did get out  in old car where a key is used thst wouldn't  of happend  ha ha 

    The hybrid is  is ok for short distance  as it uses more electric than petrol then  with an all electric think I  would stress about running  out of electric  I get  enhanced  on both  but buy my own cars  at the moment 
  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,257 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 3
    Hxrry said:
    Awesome! I think with the way things are going that they will find a way for everyone to have the electric option but I purchased a Toyota C-HR & i find average mpg is amazing compared to any other car I have owned (Y) 
    Yeah, with the petrol & diesel sales deadline less than a decade away they will definitely have to improve the electric infrastructure quickly!

    I considered the Corolla Hybrid myself but I can't get on with automatic transmission so have ruled that out, as well as any other proper hybrid this time, MHEV is still available on manuals fortunately.  What sort of average MPG do you get from the C-HR out of interest?  Is it the 2.0 petrol Hybrid in those?
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    To be fair  I don't think they will get rid of petrol and diesel  all together  becsuse thry make to much money 

    If you had an all electric  car whst would happen  if there was a power cut  my friend has got an all electric car because they were cheaper than a hybrid   and her opinion is she wish she hadn't botherd  when you charge the car at a station you have to have it on thete for an hour  if you run out of electric  you can't get out the car or open the window and to fully charge it takes 12 hrs 

    It tells you how many miles you have left but she said it would be no good for a carer in the community   she has to take her mums car which is petrol  and they expensive to fix if something goes wrong 

    Its OK if you have mobility  cars  you don't pay tax in them so not so bad there  we will see   I am havring a hybrid engine conversion on one of my vehicles  to see if it can be done which will be cheaper  got ten years yet I might not be driving by then lol ha ha 

    Out of the two I would say a  hybrid  would be better 

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    If you have an electric car and it runs out of electric then you can still use the car. You can still actually drive it too because it will still have fuel in the car lol. I test drove a Mini Countryman for 48 hours and it was electric. The charge was almost empty when i had it and i didn't charge it back up but could still use it.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Was it a hybrid  or a plug in my friend has  a plug in    I have driven a hybrid which is fuel and electric  but on a long distance drive it was using fuel  more than electric  and when you go at a certain speed it uses fuel  more than electric 

    They have plenty of time to make it better though lol  ha ha the plug in electric cars are cheaper to buy than a hybrid  I  am going to see if I can do an engine conversion on my vw t4   which costs two thousand   be interesting to see   ha ha  alot can happen in a decade  lol 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It was plug in electric. I've also driven a hybrid, which is completely different to a plug in electric.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Information  what to do if you run out of electric in  an all electric car 
  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,257 Disability Gamechanger
    Just to clarify, the Mini is a plug in Hybrid (PHEV).  If you buy a full electric car (like a Nissan Leaf) there is no fuel back-up to use if the battery runs flat.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 3
    Plug in hybrid electric vehicles or PHEV for short can continue to run even when the electric battery is flat. These cars are different to just the hybrid, which do not need to be plugged in to charge. The car i test drove from Mini was plug in electric and the electric was completely flat but i continued to use it. See link for confirmation that my advice is correct. https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/how-do-plug-hybrid-electric-cars-work

    Obvously if it's purely electric then if the battery is flat then natrually it's not going to work.

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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry  when I asked  you just said plug  in  I cant see the point  of a plug in hybrid  people will just use it as a fuel car  lol

    I think most people will  go for a hybrid  to be fair if they have to  change   dual cars have been around for a long time  but never took off 

    Now they call them hybtids  just made better  the batteries for standard size electric would last for 100 miles  and the biggest is 360 miles at the moment  in all types   but you have fuel in two of them so your battery won't go  flat 

    I think people need to be careful how they choose 



  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,257 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 3
    Don't forget how quickly battery tech has improved...even 10 years ago look at the size phones, laptops and tablets had to be and how poor the battery life was...  I genuinely believe that within 5 years we'll see full electric 'normal' cars with the same range as a petrol model.  Infrastructure will take longer to build but with the new tech that's still being developed we'll have fast charge points where you can just stop at a Shell garage and pump in 80% of battery capacity within 5-10 minutes.  So about the same as filling a 50 litre fuel tank.

    Hybrids will not be allowed when the sale of petrol and diesel cars get banned so we'll all have to go full electric eventually - but that should just push the technology even more quickly.  :)
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Sorry  when I asked  you just said plug  in  I cant see the point  of a plug in hybrid  people will just use it as a fuel car  lol

    I think most people will  go for a hybrid  to be fair if they have to  change   dual cars have been around for a long time  but never took off 

    Now they call them hybtids  just made better  the batteries for standard size electric would last for 100 miles  and the biggest is 360 miles at the moment  in all types   but you have fuel in two of them so your battery won't go  flat 

    I think people need to be careful how they choose 




    The self charging hybrid obviously charges itself. There's a lot of PHEV's around now, i see them all the time. When i said plug in i certainly didn't mean purely electric lol, which is why i originally said that just because oit's electric it doesn't mean you can't use it when the battery isn't charged.
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Overly anxious  thsts why I said now and your right  technology will  move on  and but becsusr of whst has hsppend over the last year and comring into  the new year I dont think it will be as fast happening as they would like 

    They need to claw money back  alot of jobs would be lost  and the government make alot of money out of fuel  they will need to build  the economy back up first 

    Thry have also got to sort out what  will happen  to the millions of cars  thst would have to be taken off the road   they will stop selling normal fuel cars   and if prople csn have an engine conversion which is cheaper  

    We will have to see lol it will be interesting though  
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    My phone is playing up  again misses letters out 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    When things do change in 10 years time they won't just scrap all of the existing fuel run vehicles that really would be ridiculous.

    What will happen is the Government will ban the sale of ALL NEW petrol and diesel fuelled ones. You will still be able to buy used ones.


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  • OverlyAnxiousOverlyAnxious Member Posts: 1,257 Disability Gamechanger
     You'll still be allowed to drive petrol and diesels cars after the ban comes in, dealers just won't be able to register brand new ones.

    There was a series on TV about electrifying older cars a few months ago, think it was called 'Vintage Voltage', worth a watch if you didn't see it first time as it was really interesting.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Poppy yes  there is alot about what I was trying to say was how many would plug it in at the end of a long day or if its raining or they got shopping  thry would just rely on the fuel  would you have  a plug in hybrid 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Overly anxious  my t4 just gone in to see if it can be done  its sn engine conversion I am haveing  a hybrid  hopefily 
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Poppy i was joking about the fuel cars  if the engine conversions can be done  it will be fab  hard  working people will make money  aswel as the government  in  ten years time lol I might not be allowed to drive ha ha   its going to be interesting  how it all pans out 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Oh i see...
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  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,161

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    I'm looking forward to the impact electric cars will hopefully have on the environment. They won't make much difference to me as I can't drive anyway, and I'm also hoping that they do make noise, as I think this makes them safer for those on foot who are trying to cross roads.

    An entirely different conversation altogether, but I'm looking forward to driverless cars :) 
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Electric cars are quite cars  I only recently had my operation on my eye I need another one on my other eye  but at the time I couldn't see properly  and I used to go by doubd of cars when crossing the road  I was crossing the zebra crossing and a car had stopped I couldn't hear the sound of another car comring and couldn't see a car so I crossed and the zebra crossing was on a corner  all I heard was look out didn't hear a car I felt something run into me but didn't hear it an electric car had hit me he couldn't stop as he didn't know there was a zebra crossing 

    I am glad I can see now  and driverless cars  Ross scop hasn't that already been tested somewhere dome one built a driverless car  I think its good in one way and not another you would still have to have part drive though I would think incase something failed  the same as electric cars they would have to be charged up all the time  I would rather not ha ha 
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 4,651 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 4
    I haven’t read the whole thread but just want to add some thoughts from a massive driving enthusiast (me) as I was going to make a thread about this very subject but see there already is one. :)

    I would happily choose an electric car as my next Motability car. I do about 17,000 miles a year but I hardly ever do more than 100 miles in one go so an electric car would be perfect for me as I’d benefit from loads of fuel saved (you have to do a lot of miles for them to be worth buying) but I’d also not worry about the range. A win win.

    By a lot of motoring enthusiasts electric cars are considered some kind of contradiction to driving for pleasure. However, from what I can work out, the only two things you lose are a manual gearbox - well an automatic can be fun in my experience; and the sound of the engine - well the sound of an engine is a side effect anyway, not the main purpose, and I could live without it. Actually, I quite like the idea of cruising through the countryside quietly.

    I also like the idea of the instant torque and power available. In a traditional car you have to take the engine up through the revs to get peak power and torque (though, not so much for torque in a modern car but still a bit) but in an electric car you basically the same performance available all the time as you’d have if you were driving your traditional car at the red line, only silently.

    I would never abstain from combustion engined cars completely and intend to own a Mustang at some point however contrary to many I can see the appeal of an electric car and can see myself having one maybe even as my next car.

    I really like the Honda E which I think is a cute little car. It’s £2499 down on Motability. I currently spend over £2,000 a year on petrol so after about a year and a half it will have paid for itself. That said, for people who don’t do the mileage I do, it’s likely not worth it.

    Edit: I see there are some electric cars on Motability that have no advance cost (Corsa, Smart etc) so retract my point about it not being worth it for Motability customers, that only applies to retail customers. :)
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 4,651 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 4
    I have read the thread now, just posting this to clarify for anyone who cares

    These are the types of electrified car

    Hybrid - these have an engine and you put fuel in them, and drive them just like a normal car. The batteries charge up while you are driving more quickly, the car then runs on batteries at lower speeds or uses the electric for some boost when accelerating (MHEVs often do this). This is what @overlyanxious looked at.

    Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) - these have an engine and some more sophisticated battery technology. You also put fuel in these but can plug them in. You have the option. If you only do a few miles to the shops you can run them on pure electric. They have an electric only range of up to a few dozen miles then they can run on fuel as well. This is what @poppy123456 drove.

    Battery Electric Vehicle (BEV) - this is a pure electric car and is what people are usually referring to when they mention electric cars. They have a range of 100-400ish miles depending on model and only run on electricity, they have no engine or fuel tank. If you run out of electricity in a BEV, you won’t be able to drive. A “plug-in electric vehicle” isn’t really a used term but I would say would refer to a BEV, not a hybrid.

    Hybrids and PHEVs are set to be banned with the internal combustion engine ban as they have an internal combustion engine as well as batteries. All that will be left to buy brand new will be BEVs.

    Hope this helps
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi 66mustang as you know I like my cars  an electric car wouldn't be suitable for my needs and as you know I like my old cars and my classic cars  not realy keen on new cars with all the electronics 

    I cant imagine electric pull ing the weight of a 19ft camper vsn/moter home  or bigger than thst 

    As you said 66mustang the deposit is high on morbidity I could buy four decent cars with just thst amount of money you have seen my collection of cars my mini s I paid 300 pond and my  peugot i paid 400 both with mot 

    I get the enhanced amount on my pip and I did try  a mobility car but I let the lease run out and didn't bother again  I buy my own cars 

    I have driven an electric car and a hybrid  a hybrid  I csn cope with as it runs on fuel and self charges on the electric I couldnt cope with plugging g it in and I would stress out iabout long distance driving in it I live in Wales and my family live in England 

    My friend ran out of electric and couldn't get out the car she was heading yo the garage when it happend as I told you in the other thread I got locked in my peugot non electric car its sorted now it was the fuse on the electronics 

    I think there eill be slot of problems with the electric cars  and they will cost yo much money yo buy 

    With all that has happend with corona virus no  one has thst kind of money easier on motobility  but not for the average person  if the deposit is high on motobility  you can apply for a grant for the deposit so it wouldn't be do bad 

    We will have to see we got ten years yet 😆 
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 4,651 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 4
    Hi @lisathomas50

    Fair point about not opting for Motability. You choose what works for you.

    Personally, with my high mileage, my old 2002 Mini Cooper only cost me 1p a mile less than my brand new one on the Motability scheme. I think it was something like £0.33 a mile vs. £0.34 a mile so i made the decision to spend 1p a mile more to get a brand new car.

    That said I only have the one car while you have a nice collection to choose from so there are benefits to both :)

    Also, fair point if you drive long distances, I wouldn’t want to drive a BEV if I regularly did long journeys either!

    True we have 10 years still and as @OverlyAnxious mentioned battery technology will certainly improve a lot in that time!
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes that is very true  I should if fully explained my decision why I buy my own cars  my lupus can change day by day as you said about a mini which I also have  I am using the mini for my explanation as a mini is lower  some days I cant get into my mini  as its low  so I use my landrover  as that is higher  some days I feel closed in so I drive one of my convertibles  and put the roof down I have done that in the rain and snow I had a mini on motability  the day I test drove it I was fine  but then my lupus flared up and I couldn't get in it  so I have different cars  to suit the day I am haveing lol 

    Thank you for explaining sll the different words for the different cars I knew what a hybrid was that used the fuel got confused when it was called a hybrid plug in I csnt see the point of havring to charge a car that also runs on petrol  

    Yes its true that battery technology  should be better in ten years  but I think that should be by choice snd not because  you have to  if you now what I mean

    Plus the cost of haveing to buy these cars I paid 14000 00 for my camper van it runs on diesel  how much would it cost to buy when it all changes to electric  and if they ban all fuel vehicles  my camper van I have brought for my to drive in later life isnt going yo be any good to me in ten years unless I can get an engine conversion to be fair  for my personal  opinion and feelings I am upset I love my cars I have but they are going to be useless 

    I was so upset by it I have actually written to the prime minister about it  as I said I dont mind the electric cars  but I think it should be personal choice  not forced on you 😉 
  • MPowell_1991MPowell_1991 Member Posts: 25 Connected
    Motability contacted me directly to ask if i'd be willing to trial an electric Wheelchair Accessible Vehicle, but i haven't hard anything back since
  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,161

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    You going to chase them up @MPowell_1991 ?
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  • MPowell_1991MPowell_1991 Member Posts: 25 Connected
    You going to chase them up @MPowell_1991 ?
    I will do, purely because i'm fascinated to see how they're intending for it to function and what the range might be considering most WAVS will naturally carry heavier weight loads, i've had a car before that had a reduced fuel tank due to the ramp being fitted.
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Mpowell 1991 you will have to let us know how you get on when  you have tried it out 
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    Yay my car collection is safe  by the time I have to stop driving them  I might be to old to drive  happy now 
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 4,651 Disability Gamechanger
    @lisathomas50 Yes you will still be able to drive your combustion engined cars after the ban, the ban only affects the sale of new combustion engine cars. :)
  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,843 Disability Gamechanger
    I laughed when it says the life of a car is 16 years if you look after a car it lasts alot longer than 16years lol 
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