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It pains me to have to resort to this seeing as under normal circumstances I refuse on principle to be plonked into some government sponsored scheme where all the disabled "clients" are on benefits and can't earn much without the DWP jumps on them from a great height with benefit sanctions, however it's come to my attention that I will probably never be able to work in for want of a better word, the "normal" world, so a disability specific position would possibly, under sufferance, be an option.
Are there such positions available though? I know that because of government equality laws, stuff like Remploy Factories were closed down years ago, but are there other gainful and meaningful employment options for disabled adults that pay a half decent wage beyond the paltry 2 quid a day previously paid?
The problems for me are due to my personal circumstances, I cannot work full time, and also every time I declare my disability, I get insta-rejected in most cases.
Is there a way round this? I am too honest for my own good and the first thing I do when applying for any job is declare my disability, consequently it'll be 2 years in March since I last worked.
It pains me to have to resort to this seeing as under normal circumstances I refuse on principle to be plonked into some government sponsored scheme where all the disabled "clients" are on benefits and can't earn much without the DWP jumps on them from a great height with benefit sanctions, however it's come to my attention that I will probably never be able to work in for want of a better word, the "normal" world, so a disability specific position would possibly, under sufferance, be an option.
Are there such positions available though? I know that because of government equality laws, stuff like Remploy Factories were closed down years ago, but are there other gainful and meaningful employment options for disabled adults that pay a half decent wage beyond the paltry 2 quid a day previously paid?
The problems for me are due to my personal circumstances, I cannot work full time, and also every time I declare my disability, I get insta-rejected in most cases.
Is there a way round this? I am too honest for my own good and the first thing I do when applying for any job is declare my disability, consequently it'll be 2 years in March since I last worked.
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If you want to work, I would advise thinking of organisations that you would like to work for, either because of what they do or because you know they'll be accommodating. Draft up a list of those organisations and then keep an eye on their job boards.
Have you taken a look at any of Scope's employment services? These would help you with many things, including:
When I was unemployed, there were many stages where I felt low and wished there was some kind of scheme that would hand me an opportunity on a plate, and it really got me down at times because I felt as though I had no help, and didn't know where to go to find help. I was even doubtful that even if I found something that looked helpful it ultimately wouldn't do anything for me.
It's about taking things one step at a time, considering what you need to do to gain employment and seeking the right advice to help you get there.
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I haven't spent the last 25 years working in nearly every Charity shop in Sheffield and not gained customer facing retail experience and skills.
Also I've had help with my CV over the years, and have had interviews, but I can never explain big gaps in my employment history especially when 100% of my previous employment is voluntary, either actual volunteering or College work placements.
You may have had issues with job centre in the past but that was a long time ago and things have changed since then and there isnt really many other organisations
Also as said b4 now really isnt the best time to be looking for work as companies are struggling to keep people in employment and making cuts due to the pandemic
However you ask the answers will be the same
Have you looked at the scope help as mentioned above
I understand your wanting to work believe me I hated it when I became unable to work but sometimes we just have to accept the inevitable and that there are just too many things preventing us from working
@MrAllen1976 I wont comment any further other than to say I have advised all I can on this topic
I have spent 30 years in recruitment and recruited thousands of employees including disabled people . I have implemented disability recruitment projects and was one of the first HR managers to get their company approved on the two ticks scheme in sheffield I have worked with job centres and offered placements to many disabled people and know how they work hard to try and place people in to work and think after the pandemic is over that us when you should seek employment
I wish you every bit of luck in finding work but unless you specifically ask me for advice I wont comment any further on your job related posts
I think it's important for people to consider the reasons for which a person might post about a topic on multiple occasions, @MrAllen1976 is clearly passionate about this subject and wants to do his best to navigate what can often be a tricky and inaccessible system, in the hope of gaining employment. That's without mentioning the countless strings attached to the subject of work, it's a mightily complicated area.
I'm sure we've all felt failed by society at certain points in our lives for one reason or another, and those experiences can sometimes leave scars, or give us an impression of a certain area of life that may be different to the impression of others. none of this is a bad thing, it's normal to have differing outlooks, it's what makes a vibrant, diverse and helpful community, we can offer our insight based on our own unique life experience.
As always, I would urge everyone to consider their tone when commenting on a topic, and think about how your words might come across to others. If you don't feel as though you have anything constructive to say, or aren't confident that you can phrase criticism or negative feedback constructively throughout a post, then it is sometimes wise not to comment.
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I am aware that job support is different in enland than Wales I was refferd to wellbeing support scope as I live in Wales but they can still help you it is hard finding a job and I think its worse now with the corona virus
I hope that you can get the help you need 🙂
I havejust seen part time job advertised for Heron foods in High Green something you may be interested in
From personal experience, I have found that employers signed up to the scheme are more likely to have processes in place for hiring and retaining disabled employees, when compared to those who aren't signed up. But of course that doesn't mean that employers who aren't part of the scheme are not inclusive or accommodating.
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I found in wales before covid 19 it wasn't so hard to get a job it was keeping it I have always worked up untill I had corona virus at the beging of the year and again in July
When my lupus was good mu employers were great then when I was poorly not so great but in 10 years I only had four days sick if I was havring a bad day I just wasn't as quick most of my eorking life I have been a carer now I want to change jobs and only work part time
I am getting help from the wellbeing support which is still scope but apparently do more to help thats why I was reffered and I get support for six months if I need it
I think its alot harder to find a job now and can tske longer to fund employment alot of people have gone to deliveroo just eat uber and amazon as delivery drivers apparently thats where the money is
I tried it pre covid its not my cup of tea and some disabilitys wouldn't suit that type of job anyway
Some people have created there own way of mskeing money my cousin makes dolls and things like that and sells on line she declares what she makes but she trys to stay under as she is allowed to earn so much before it affects her money
Its is hard every where to find a suitable job at the moment
And to be honest I don't want Factory work.
Just my humble opinion
John x
Just catching up with some posts and I'm happy to see you are remaining proactive in looking for work. I know you are based in South Yorkshire and wondered if you'd looked at the Sheffield Voluntary Action website before? This lists some jobs local to you that on occasion seek people with lived experience of impairment, so although nothing might jump out at the moment, keep it in your bookmarks.
Also, it might be worth getting in touch with the team at Disability Sheffield. You could contact them explaining your work history so they can get in touch with you if they know of any opportunities.
I'll keep an eye out for anything else
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I'm not sure if you're implying that the majority of employers registered as disability confident would only offer factory work, forgive me if I'm wrong, but you'll find such a variety of companies on that list, from national names to local organisations.
As an example, near to where I live there is a residential care provider that is registered for the scheme, and nationally you have companies like Virgin Media and Sky who are on it, and I can vouch for the inclusivity and accessibility of their interview processes.
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Sadly, I think you are not the only one who feels like this at the moment. If you read between the lines of many posts, lots of members are feeling like they shouldn't share their own experiences because they'll be told they're wrong.
It would seem to me that this general feeling is at the root of many of the arguments and much of the tension across the community.
I highly value everyone's opinions and contributions and I'm very sorry to read you're feeling as though yours aren't being valued currently. I would encourage you (and anyone else feeling this way) to carry on sharing their experiences.
I'm very fond of this quote by Albert Einstein:
'The only source of knowledge is experience.'
He's considerably smarter than me so it must be true!
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Peoples experience helps others I think and why people think its wrong
@MrAllen1976, please feel free to post about this topic as much as you like, and if anybody doesn't like that I would encourage them to hold those feelings back and not comment, just as I would encourage you not to retaliate in any way and risk de-railing your own very important thread.
Anyway, have you considered any of the advice given here, I'm curious?
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Now i've had my say (again ) and its best i put you on my ignore list, a very short list btw.
I have applied for several jobs recently including a voluntary job working in the Sally Army Charity shop in s5 but I am yet to hear back from most of them, except I had to drop out of an offer of a job in central Doncaster yesterday because I don't and can't have a Windows PC to test PC games.
I would love it if you could show people where I have been "baiting" you, a few days ago you even put "awesome" to some advice I gave you.
I have said this before but I will say it again, a lot of people on this forum give their time and advice freely and with good will, it is a friendly forum full of great people .
Although we will never like, nor be friends, with everyone it's important to remember our community is based on the principles of being friendly and respectful to others. As such, now seems like a good point to 'draw a line in the sand' and move on to more constructive conversations.
Should you want to discuss the matter more, please email the Community Team at [email protected] And in the mean-time, thank you for your valued contributions and understanding
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Please understand that I am not having ago at you, just some of the double standards that we see too often on here, shame really as it's a friendly place and for 99% of the time I feel respected and valued.
To say I am upset is a massive understatement as I write this i have a tear in my eye.
John x
It might seem that these rules aren't routinely applied to all, yet as a Community Team we endeavour to be objective and have integrity in our actions, treating everyone the same without exception. This isn't always visible on the community as so much goes on behind the scenes, and is rightly kept confidential. But please be assured our moderating isn't personal and has a purpose, to keep the community the friendly haven it is.
Take care
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Now I am realy poorly with corona virus I feel like I am dying
What I am trying to say is life is to short for falling out with people people are dying all around us
Most people who go off the site say why they are leaving I havent been here long enough to know if anyone one has gine off the site and not said but uou could be talking to someone on here who suddenly just drops off the group that maybe you have had a cross word with and thry don't come back uou don't know if this person has passed away
Some prople come on here because they are lonely don't see people we all have different problems I know I repeat myself sometimes on here I do it becsuse I forget if I have said something before but most of the time it's becsuse some has asked me something I have answered before I dont mind
We don't have to answer when we read something but as you said @woodbine we are adults and you saying about the ignore button has caused mr Allen to say the same because he is upset
I have put on here several times that I have corona virus not becsuse I want sympathy because I am scared I am scared I am going to die so people do put things that are repetitive mr Allen is probably frustrated that he cant get a job and sometimes just saying it to someone helps plus new people come on here all the time that may be able to suggest something new to mr Allen
I know that was long but at least if this was the last thing I was saying to anyone it was a nice thing
I think maybe my surroundings have caused me to come over a bit heavy I also have lost a child in 1999 his name is Adam he was only a baby and I am so sorry you went through the loss of losing a child
But I do see both sides I think it was ok up until the point where the ignore button was mentioned but we all say silly things that get taken the wrong way and we regret saying it
People being repetative doesn't bother me as my mum has dementia and I was a carer in the community I can have a conversation with my mum and thst conversation could go on through out the day when I had her with me for three months but on the phone she will ask me several times the same question which then dominates the whole phone call
Which is why I understand but there is always the option on here to ignore or not reply the choice is ours there is fault on both sides if you look at it objectavily doesn't realy matter how long or how many people you have helped if you have said the wrong thing then you have said the wrong thing 😉
I'm not doubting you but for my own knowledge was just curious as I was led to believe you could only get it once and then you had the antibodies as they are using cells from people who have had it to give to those who are ill
You don't build up antibodies but they are saying now thst someone who has had corona virus gives blood so they can put blood into someone who hasn't to see if that builds it up but thst is only being trialed now
In wales two nurses who had the vaccinations one and two have since caught corona virus since thry had it done
No one knows enough about it it can damage the heart the lungs the liver your sight your smell your taste your hearing your sleep its a horrible thing its annoying when you already know you got it and it says this
A cold is a form of corona virus and there has never been a cure for that either
From my experience in a job I did this covid 19 will run its 4 year course its going into its second year now after four years its strength will be lost and it will turn into a seasonal winter problem
The corona virus didn't survive so well in the summer but it also doesn't survive in Iceland the antarctic somewhere like that which is pretty weird because it has still spread in hot countries
There is so much more to know about this virus the mutated version we have now has a faster rate of spreading some people have had it 4 times my next door neighbor is on her 4th time
It will be a long lockdown this time
Hope you feel better soon have you considered if you should go to hospital ?
My breathing is alot better today
I'm sorry to hear you are struggling with the virus again, I really hope you get better soon. Please remember to follow the relevant advice, such as this from the NHS, and ensure to look after yourself. If you feel as though your condition is worsening and it is concerning you, then speak with your medical professional about what you should do.
Hi @MrAllen1976
Glad to hear you've been applying for some things, it's worth noting that the shops you've applied to will be closed right now and might take time to get back to you because of this. Keep it up though, the more eggs you have in the basket then the better, as long as it's a role you're interested in
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First time I had it was when I was working as a carer the second time from a hospital appointment and this time from my eye appointment
There alit if people not following the rules and the new virus is sweeping across Wales I live in a village where only one thousand people live and gor our village today there is 600 cases we have already had 22 deaths here including children only food drliverys and delivery's are allowed to stop in the village its hitting Wales pretty bad when they brought me home from hospital there were 12 ambulances waiting with patients in them waiting to be seen
I dont practice Christianity but I prsyed to god for help today the nurse who came to me was on her way home from her shift to check on me this morning and she had just done 14hrs and she ssid its heart breaking and she said I am better being treated at home she is going to be my nurse fir next seven days so I know she will be ok she is lovely and lives in the village
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I know they were asking for those who had the virus to donate and most vaccines you are given the virus in order to build up antibodies
One if the reasons I asked lisa the question and hope this doesn't concern other members thinking the same thing
As above it is very early days in the research but I think they have all worked well to even have a vaccine ready this quick
The blood transfer thing was in the news didn't take much notice
I can get confirmation if you wish thst I am now on the third time of getting corona virus
What you have to understand is that a obe point there were three different strains in the UK and the mutation of the corona virus now there may be more strains no one knows if you had a different strain in the first place then you can get it again if the strain is different the corona virus nurse who comes in to check me has told me all this and my own dr
Then the corona virus mutated which is why I got again there have been lots of people who have had corona virus again we have a corona virus group in wales and there are loads of people who have had it more than once a few weeks ago on the news it was saying how many proplechad it more than once
They are also saying you can still get the corona virus even if your vaccinated also as you can see from my previous posts that I was in high risk areas at the time the three times I have caught it one as a carer one from the hospital and one in my eye appointment
If there is a different strsin yes you can catch it again I have lupus do my immune system doesnt work properly any way which is why I am at home being cared fir as I am a higher risk the nurse who is looking after me has had it twice
I know one thing I won't be going out again until its gone away I definitely don't want it again
Effectively you could get the corona virus every few months if its a different strains
I have spoken to my friend in Oxford who says there is not enough information and it could be months before they know if the vaccinations have worked becsuse the vacines were made before the mutated version of corona virus whst she did say was at the moment its being said you could still get corona virus after being vaccinated
Information changes every day from my own working experience in Oxford when I was younger only my opinion
The corona virus will more than likely run its course 4 to 5 years strains will change the virus will more than likely mutate probably twice more vaccinations will work but not for long lengths as the virus will keep changing so more vacines will be needed as things change hopefuly the virus will weaken its self where it will only survive at certain times of the year and become a seasonal virus or best sernario it will burn its self out and will only come back now and then as the plague did all those years ago
This is my opinion nothing else
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings on the subject, the discussion above is an interesting one. I'm sure that nobody was doubting that you have the virus, more just expressing surprise that you've contracted it for a third time, because it's quite a rare thing which I'm sure you'll agree with. Stories in the media have been few and far between about people getting it twice, let alone a third time, so I'm certain you have all our sympathy and best wishes. I hope you feel okay today.
Just a friendly reminder that while the conversation around the virus, immunity and the vaccine is a fascinating one to have, it isn't the purpose of this thread. We are here to talk about the subject of employment and how somebody might work towards gaining it.
If you wish to start a separate thread about the subject then please feel free, but it would be best if this one remains on topic as much as possible. I hope people don't mind but I will leave the screenshots up a little longer so that people have chance to read them and then remove them from the thread, as the amount of scrolling might put others off from commenting here.
Again though, thanks for providing your thoughts and opinions on the matter everybody.
@MrAllen1976
Glad to hear you've sent off a couple of emails, I do hope you hear back soon but please keep in mind that any response might be delayed by the pandemic. Do you intend on sending out any more enquiries?
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You csn take it all down I don't mind
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Just an idea.
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As I've mentioned previously, it would be great if we could prevent this thread from veering off topic again otherwise we may have to consider closing it.
Many people involved in this discussion provided their own version of evidence and as always it is at your discretion if you read or accept the evidence. I'd like us to move past this subject and keep the discussion focussed on what it was created for.
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Hope you find something soon