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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,155 Championing
    Hi @lisathomas50 - you mention that, 'You don't build up antibodies but they are saying now thst someone who has had corona virus gives blood so they can put blood into someone who hasn't to see if that builds it up but thst is only being trialed now.' Might you say more, & give links, please.
    My understanding from recent news was that in a retrospective 5 month trial, 83% of those tested positive for Covid-19 didn't contract it again in that 5 month period. Hopefully we'll learn more in the coming months, but who told you that you don't 'build up antibodies?' That seems to be the whole point of currently available vaccines.
    Also please say where you've found out that blood from those identified with Coronavirus is being trialed to help people. It seems like messenger RNA is used with the Pfizer vaccine, which triggers your body to produce antibodies & stimulates your immune cells to therefore help protect a person should they contract Covid-19. A genetically modified virus (from a Chimpanzee's cold) is the model for the Oxford vaccine, which is cheaper to make, & doesn't need to be stored at such low temperatures.
    Anyone interested please see some questions & answers here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/03/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-questions-answered/
    I hope you are feeling better soon; you've been through a lot, Do keep on taking care.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Online Community Member Posts: 21,922 Championing
    @chiarieds I am part of the office for national statistics covid research and they take swabs and blood each month to check for antibodies so there must be some connection to antibodies 

    I know they were asking for those who had the virus to donate and most vaccines you are given the virus in order to build up antibodies 

    One if the reasons I asked lisa the question and hope this doesn't concern other members thinking the same thing 
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Online Community Member Posts: 21,922 Championing
    As with anything we all have our own opinions and I for one will go with what I hear from the professionals and scientists on the matter . 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    There's some information here regarding immunity to Covid, which does say that a recent study led by Public Health England (PHE) shows most people who have had the virus are protected from catching it again for at least five months (the duration of the analysis so far).


  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,155 Championing
    Hi @janer & @woodbine - my daughter does part time work for ONS (Office for National Staistics), but nothing to do with Covid-19, however I realise their importance. I have to say I couldn't agree with you more....you are given a very small part of the virus (messenger RNA or mRNA), which triggers the production of antibodies & stimulates our bodies T cells to help protect the immune system, which helps protect against Covid-19.
    I've spent part of this morning looking at the medical info to check what I 'thought was correct.' As mentioned, the statistics seem to show, & this was just looking back at the last 5 months, that 83% of people who were found to have had Covid-19 didn't get it again in that 5 month period. So, a minority may get Covid-19 again. More will be known the longer this pandemic goes on with further longer retrospective studies.
    I just felt it would help our members to know more too by looking at respected resources. If anyone wants links to medical papers about the Pfizer or Oxford vaccines I would be pleased to provide further info. I do feel it's important to ask questions to balance things out, & give the best possible advice about Covid. We all need to know as much as possible.
  • janer1967
    janer1967 Online Community Member Posts: 21,922 Championing
    I suppose there are always exceptions to every rule 83% is a very positive result but does show minority may get infected again 

    As above it is very early days in the research but I think they have all worked well to even have a vaccine ready this quick 


  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @chiarieds my blood test said I have no antibodies  i had corona virus in beginning of March again at the end of July  and now again I had a blood test again for an antibody test abd still no anti bodys  

    The blood transfer thing was in the news didn't take much notice 

    I  can get  confirmation if you wish thst I am now on the third time of getting corona virus 

    What you have to understand is that a obe point there were three different strains in the UK and the mutation of the corona virus now  there may be more strains no one knows if you had a different strain in the first place then you can get it again if the strain is different  the corona virus nurse who comes in to check me has told me all this and my own dr 

    Then the corona virus mutated  which is why I got again there have been lots of people who have had corona virus again we have a corona virus group in wales and there are loads of people who have had it more than once  a few weeks ago on the news it was saying how many proplechad it more than once 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    Imunity  doesn't last long if you had it in the first place and as you can see the times I got corona virus there were gaps  

    They are also saying you can still get the corona virus even if your vaccinated  also as you can see from my previous posts that I was in high risk areas at the time the three times I have caught it one as a carer one from the hospital and one in my eye appointment 

    If there is a different strsin yes you can catch it again I have lupus do my immune system doesnt work properly any way which is why I am at home being cared fir as I am a higher risk the nurse who is looking after me has had it twice 

    I know one thing I won't be going out again until its gone away I definitely don't want it again 

    Effectively you could get the corona virus every few months if its a different strains 

    I have spoken to my friend in Oxford who says there is not enough information and it could be months before they know if the vaccinations have worked becsuse the vacines were made before the mutated version of corona virus  whst she did say was at the moment its being said you could still get corona virus after being vaccinated 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @woodbine it was monts apart and three times I was in high risk areas first time I was a carer in the community 2nd time a hospital  appointment and this time an eye appointment  
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @janer1967 this isn't my opinion this is happening to me 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @Ross_Scope well it was until now I hope that people on hete dint get it once that alibe three times 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    You can find loads of information on line and from Oxford  I am on my third corona virus infection I don't realy know why but it does happen and is happening 

    Information changes every day from my own working experience in Oxford when I was younger only my opinion 

    The corona virus will more than likely run its course 4 to 5 years strains will change the virus will more than likely mutate probably twice more  vaccinations will work but not for long lengths as the virus will keep changing so more vacines will be needed as things change hopefuly the virus will weaken its self  where it will only survive at certain times of the year and become a seasonal virus or best sernario  it will burn its self out and will only come back now and then as the plague did all those years ago

    This is my opinion nothing else 
  • Ross_Alumni
    Ross_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,611 Championing
    Hi @lisathomas50

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings on the subject, the discussion above is an interesting one. I'm sure that nobody was doubting that you have the virus, more just expressing surprise that you've contracted it for a third time, because it's quite a rare thing which I'm sure you'll agree with. Stories in the media have been few and far between about people getting it twice, let alone a third time, so I'm certain you have all our sympathy and best wishes. I hope you feel okay today.

    Just a friendly reminder that while the conversation around the virus, immunity and the vaccine is a fascinating one to have, it isn't the purpose of this thread. We are here to talk about the subject of employment and how somebody might work towards gaining it. 

    If you wish to start a separate thread about the subject then please feel free, but it would be best if this one remains on topic as much as possible. I hope people don't mind but I will leave the screenshots up a little longer so that people have chance to read them and then remove them from the thread, as the amount of scrolling might put others off from commenting here.

    Again though, thanks for providing your thoughts and opinions on the matter everybody.

    @MrAllen1976
    Glad to hear you've sent off a couple of emails, I do hope you hear back soon but please keep in mind that any response might be delayed by the pandemic. Do you intend on sending out any more enquiries?
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @Ross_Scope sorry Ross I don't even know how it got to that I was supporting another member in repeating things I doubt it makes a difference because I posted them 
    You csn take it all down I don't mind 
  • Ross_Alumni
    Ross_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,611 Championing
    It's no problem at all @lisathomas50, there's no need to apologise :) 
  • Ross_Alumni
    Ross_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,611 Championing
    woodbine said:
    Just a suggestion but I would say that all conversation about covid should be in a single thread and where ever possible all opinion backed up with official links.
    Just an idea.
    Feedback noted, thank you :) 
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @woodbine I did put proof up but they were left up so people could read them then taken down 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    Links were already posted by @chiarieds. Screenshots make for harder scrolling because they take up a lot of space.
  • Ross_Alumni
    Ross_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 7,611 Championing
    edited January 2021
    Hi all
    As I've mentioned previously, it would be great if we could prevent this thread from veering off topic again otherwise we may have to consider closing it. 

    Many people involved in this discussion provided their own version of evidence and as always it is at your discretion if you read or accept the evidence. I'd like us to move past this subject and keep the discussion focussed on what it was created for.
  • Lisatho11987777
    Lisatho11987777 Scope Member Posts: 5,874 Championing
    @MrAllen1976 glad that your getting somewhere  with your job hunting  i am getting help with job support in wakes its called well being  support I am on the sux month course  which is resly good and helping me alot as I want to do a different kind of job

    Hope you find something soon 

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