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Is the PIP review 6 months early? If I didn't pass the PIP review, would my CB ESA be effected?

DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
edited January 7 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi all, really need some help please - my PIP award was granted on Feb 2019 until Feb 2022, with review being on Feb 2021, next month.
However, whilst I know the DWP can review you at any time, I'm hearing from people that the PIP review is no longer 12 months early but 6 months and I'm very overwhelmed - who is right?

Also, i am on long term support group esa contribution-based, have been for years, and wondered if, for some reason I don't pass the PIP review (i should as I'm very unwell), will this effect my esa contribution-based benefit with them too?

Thank you all 

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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Hi all, really need some help please - my PIP award was granted on Feb 2019 until Feb 2022, with review being on Feb 2021, next month.

    However, whilst I know the DWP can review you at any time, I'm hearing from people that the PIP review is no longer 12 months early but 6 months and I'm very overwhelmed - who is right?

    Also, i am on long term support group esa contribution-based, have been for years, and wondered if, for some reason I don't pass the PIP review (i should as I'm very unwell), will this effect my esa contribution-based benefit with them too?

    Thank you all 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 7
    HI and welcome,

    Yes under normal times PIP reviews now take place 6 months before your award is due to end. Although because of Covid there are some people that have had their award extended, although this doesn't mean you won't still be reviewed. As you have 13 months left on your award then it will be at least 6/7 months before you hear anything from them.

    For your ESA you can be reassessed anytime from 3 months. Although there is huge backlogs for assessments at the moment. PIP and ESA are 2 completely different benefits. However, if part of your ESA is Income Related and you're claiming the Severe disability premium in with your ESA, if you lose the daily living award of PIP then the SDP will stop, which will mean you'll receive less ESA per week.

    Hope this helps.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    @poppy123456 hello poppy,
    Thank you for response, wish DWP call handlers were as efficient as you!

    - firstly when I call PIP they are adamant it's still 12 months and not 6, so i don't understand why they don't have this information.

    Re ESA I'm definitely only on contribution-based, so this should still be ok? 🤔 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. They changed the review time from 12 months to 6 months but they did publish this change, so this is why the advisor you spoke probably didn't know because they usually just read from a screen and it's just a call centre you are ringing.

    Although on your PIP decision letter is doesn't actually say your review will be on a specific date. What it say is, " we;ll contact you after X date"

    Contributions based ESA Support Group is currently £113.55 per week and this won't be affected by any decision made on your PIP. If you're contacted for a review then it will be purely a coincidence.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    HI,

    I answered your question on your other thread here. https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/75859/hi-my-name-is-dee9999#latest

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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Thank you so much, Poppy, genuinely appreciate the insight and guidance. I'll pop back on when i get new assessment as i always need help and my sister helps fill everything in with me and collate all the supporting evidence too 👍 😊 
  • janer1967janer1967 Member Posts: 9,112 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome 

    In normal times you will get review forms 6 months prior to award ending but you may find with backlogs and covid you get an extension if your award was through DWP and not tribunal though you do have a while till award ends things may be back normal by then 

    Your pip is separate to your esa support group and that will remain until assessed again for esa 
  • Tori_ScopeTori_Scope Posts: 4,010

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    Welcome to the community @DEE9999 :) I'm glad that the above advice has been useful, but I'm sorry to hear you're not very well at the moment. Yes, please do pop back on any time you need! You can also take a look through our list of recent discussions to see if there are any other conversations you'd like to join in with.

    Just to make you aware, I've renamed and moved your post so that other members will be able to find it more easily. It's now in our PIP category
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  • Tori_ScopeTori_Scope Posts: 4,010

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    Hi again @DEE9999

    I've merged your two threads as they were about the same topic. 
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Thank you 😊 
  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Good evening, hi @poppy123456 got letter today to say my pip review has been extended from Feb 2022 to Nov 2022 and there is nothing i need to do, and will contact me before the new review date. I'm a bit confused.... 😕 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They are extending some awards because of the backlogs, although you could still receive the form at anytime. Usually this is 6 months before the award is due to end. At the moment there's nothing you can do.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    It was just very random! I don't want to do anything and I'm grateful that they have extended it as it's a worry. 
  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Mine has been extended by 9 months, however, not 6 hence my question and confusion, poppy. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    It can be extended to any length, i'm not sure why you think it should have only been extended by 6 months. My award was first extended 6 months and then again by another 10 months, so in total my award was extended by 14 months.

    The extended awards are confusing everyone because people think they won't receive their review form until much later but this isn't the case and they can still send you the review forms. There's nothing you can do until you receive the forms.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    It's so stressful. Thank you 😊 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, i agree and you're welcome.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Apologies @poppy123456 I've just realised, you know that it is meant to be 6 months before PIP review now, which is what you've told me before but it seems, what with PIP sending out my extended date review letter now (because of the backlog of covid19) they were obviously looking at my award 12 months earlier  (FEB 2021 for FEB 2022), so it's fair to wonder.... 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    They are extending a lot of people's awards because of the huge backlogs. In normal times reviewq forms are indeed sent out 6 months before an award is due to end.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Poppy, you must have to repeat this information a lot to people since PIP started this, so thanks again. 
  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,105

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    Hi @DEE9999

    I'm glad the advice from Poppy has been helpful for you :) 
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Tbh I'm very upset and it's spiked my ocd. Im crying non stop as I've severe anxiety and Im very confused about it now being Nov 2022 review date instead of Feb 2022. I also am now scared that ESA contribution-based will get effected because of this. I'm sorry but I'm on my own and i have dark thoughts and suffering from trauma and I can't cope when there is ANY disruption. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    I'm sorry to hear this has affected you. I totally understand the anxiety these reviews cause, having been through them many times myself.

    Regarding your PIP, yes it's been extended by 9 months but this is most likely because of the extent of the backlogs caused by the suspended reviews for 3 months at the start of the first lockdown and the other affects all caused through the pandemic. The health assessment providers and those working for DWP have mostly been working from home since the start of the first lockdown, so backlogs have continued to increase. They have also been concentrating on new claims more than reviews.

    Your original award was due to end in Feb 2022 so your review would have been around August 2021 and you would have received the review forms sometime in that month, it would not have been 1 year before the award ended.

    It's very unlikely that you will receive the forms before August this year. All i can adivse is that you try to relax becauase you have at least 7 months to wait for those forms.

    Hope this helps.


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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    @poppy123456 I'm sorry it's just on top of my ocd and severe anxiety, trauma, bpd - i suffer severe health anxiety and have to have holter monitor test this week for heart, blood tests and it's making me worse, i can't get out of bed, so to have this on top is just too much for my head. I just don't understand, if it wasn't 12 months and 6 months, the fact that they sent it now, so close to February 2021,has made me very confused....x
  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    But also why 7 months, that would mean August 2021 (original Feb 2022) but its been extended to November 2022, so shouldn't that be May 2022? I don't understand 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    There's varying award length increases for a lot of people. For example my daughters award was due to end Feb 2021 and her award was extended until November 2021. I should have received her review form in August 2020 but i received it just before Christmas.

    My award was due to end in October 2020 and it was first extended until April 2021. Then it was extended again to January 2022. I was orginally due to recieve my forms in April 2020 but i haven't yet received them.

    Backlogs cause delays and rather than let people's awards end and be without money they are increasing them, which sounds logical to me.

    To answer your ESA question, they are 2 totally different benefits. ESA Support Group, if that's the group you're in is an ongoing award and payments continue for as long as you remain in that group. Under normal circumstances, they can review your claim anytime from 3 months. Timescales given for an ESA award are just a guide.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    It's just that I've read on FB forums how their pip awards have effected their esa! But just to clarify one more thing and I'm very sorry, its very hard for me - i understand everyone has been given different award lengths and extensions but if mine has been pushed back by 9 months to Nov 2022, then my forms shouldn't be sent out then until 6 months before which is May 2022? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    Hmm FB, oh dear, sorry but this isn't the best place to go, especially not for advice on benefits. Your ESA will not stop completely because of a PIP award.

    You are still concentrating on your extended award and you shouldn't. Just because an award has been extended, this doesn't mean you won't receive the forms around the time you should have received them. (for you this is August 2021) They've extended it purely because of the backlogs.

    The extended awards have confused a lot of people and we've had many threads asking the same question "i've had my award extended but now i've received the review forms but why"
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  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Member Posts: 3,796 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 if you have had an extension on pip  until say eg 2022 and your forms come now to fill in do you still fill them in and send them back 
  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    Ok, so I'll then expect them in August, to coincide with the original award of Feb 2022, if I've FINALLY understood?  Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that 12 months, give or take, before my original award is due to end they've sent the extended letter? I'm so sorry 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    @poppy123456 if you have had an extension on pip  until say eg 2022 and your forms come now to fill in do you still fill them in and send them back 

    Yes you do.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    @poppy123456Ok, so I'll then expect them in August, to coincide with the original award of Feb 2022, if I've FINALLY understood?  Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that 12 months, give or take, before my original award is due to end they've sent the extended letter? I'm so sorry 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    DEE9999 said:
    Ok, so I'll then expect them in August, to coincide with the original award of Feb 2022, if I've FINALLY understood?  Isn't it a bit of a coincidence that 12 months, give or take, before my original award is due to end they've sent the extended letter? I'm so sorry 

    Yes you should expect them in August. There's no coincidence, awards are extended purely because of the backlogs caused from Covid. It's either that or awards start to end before a decision's been made and i know this would cause a lot of hardship for thousands of people.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    I think I'm going to stop going on forums today. I'm getting very overwhelmed. I thank you very much for all your help and patience poppy x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Member Posts: 22,218 Disability Gamechanger
    You are most welcome. I have a lot patience, i live with my daughter who has ASD and a learning disability so i'm used to sitting down to explain the same thing several times to her.

    I hope you have a lovely afternoon :)
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    You are most welcome. I have a lot patience, i live with my daughter who has ASD and a learning disability so i'm used to sitting down to explain the same thing several times to her.

    I hope you have a lovely afternoon :)
    Very kind of you that you help so many of us out whilst you're supporting yourself and your daughter. I also hope you have a lovely afternoon ☺️
  • Ross_ScopeRoss_Scope Posts: 3,105

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    Hi @DEE9999

    I hope the above advice has been again helpful. I have just popped you an email from [email protected], it would be great if you could give it a read.
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  • DEE9999DEE9999 Member Posts: 29 Listener
    @Ross_Scope i did and replied, thank you 😊 
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