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Should I Be Forthright

oldngrumpy Member Posts: 118 Pioneering
Hello Folks

The last time I asked for some advice on this forum re PIP. I received some spiteful comments. I hope this won't happen this time!

My official date of PIP renewal was last November. But because of Covid it was extended to January 022.
I am presuming DWP will ask me around October/November reapply for the benefit.
I have over lockdown one, to the present, been making notes on what the difficulties are with my disability. Once I am asked by DWP for reapplication it should be fairly easy as I have already done the leg work.
On my present award I did not get full PIP for mobility. I was one point off this full award.
The assessor (Capita) lied about several points on my abilities. I have been denied hundreds/thousands of benefit. 
I am extremely bitter!

Over the years I have learnt to bite my tongue to the extent a bit too much. This holding back. Makes me frustrated/anxious I need to have my say...

I have prepared a introduction to my PIP notes. 

** Before I go any further can I explain I don't fill in the form they send. I write an essay on my diificulties/problems **

Back to me speaking my mind. I have already
said what I need to say with my present award. The manner of the assessor that came to my house. Calling me in print a liar (All Lies)

I will threaten them with the sentence saying 
If I do not get this time the full award I will go through MR and if need be go to tribunal.
I am not going to allow DWP/Capita to make me go through hardship again.

I will also say what I need about the assessor.
Short changing me with her lies/corruption 
Do you think me being frank with them will affect my new application? 

I also have compared my disability with a certain neighbour who get full award.
I know this because of Motability car
They have built three professional quality sheds. Laying roofing felt. Working on this roof on his knees. Walking on this roof with no problems. Back to terra firma. He's hobbling. Walking with a limp.
I am possibly a good twenty years younger than this neighbour and even if I had the ability to lift wood, climb onto a roof. It would kill me! But nothing seems to affect him.

I do not trust DWP or Capita!

Me speaking my mind, do you think this may hinder any application?

Thank you folks


  • Sandy_123
    Sandy_123 Member Posts: 1,967 Pioneering
    Hi @oldngrumpy sorry you had a horrible assor that lied. I don't think writing that sentence on the forms will be helpful, if things don't go your way after the award then then challenge it and if needed go to appeal.

  • janer1967
    janer1967 Member Posts: 12,213 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and welcome 

    Going through your last review will not do anything to enhance your claim and I would suggest youvwouod be better leaving it well alone 

    You need to concentrate on the new review and how you are now that's all 

    If you got awarded your current by dwp they will send our review forms about 6 months b4 it is due to end . But as you have extension they can just send them anytime 

    It also isn't wise to compare yourself to others as you don't know the full extent of their disability as some are not physical 

    I hope you take this in the manner it is intended just trying to help you
    Here to help with my experience in hunan resources and employment rights 
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,256 Disability Gamechanger
    Just because an award has been extended due to covid doesn't mean that the review won't take place before that date, it could come at anytime.
    The best way to go about a review is to treat it like a new application and not referring to your previous experience, I have to say that just because you don't agree with the assessor doesn't mean that they have lied.
    As for not filling out the form that will serve no purpose, but you can add additional information.
    And you should never compare yourself with other people, my disability is what you might term a hidden one but I still got enhanced mobility and just missed enhance care by 1 point.

    As @janer1967 said this is intended to help you and I hope you see it that way.
    Offering PIP advice to people with epilepsy.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Member Posts: 2,982 Disability Gamechanger
    edited June 6
    ..I will threaten them with the sentence saying 
    If I do not get this time the full award I will go through MR and if need be go to tribunal.
    I am not going to allow DWP/Capita to make me go through hardship again.

    I will also say what I need about the assessor.
    Short changing me with her lies/corruption 
    Do you think me being frank with them will affect my new application? 
    None of this will help a new claim.
    If you were unhappy you could have complained at the time.
    When you renew you simply have to set out the difficulties you have carried out the prescribed activities to the required standard the majority of the time.
    If you don't get the result you think is right you can go through MR and, if necessary, appeal. 'Threatening' that you will do this means nothing - they know you are entitled to if you wish to.
    Information I post is for England unless otherwise stated. Rules may be different in other parts of UK.
  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 7,445 Disability Gamechanger
    Useful to review those previous threads and to note a similar tone to here;the fact that one thread was closed and alleged slanderous posts removed. 

    To take the points in turn then:

    1 - you can be reviewed at any time. Moreover there is an exercise currently taking place to recheck people given first awards or extensions during lockdown.

    2 - making notes in advance may be useful but it needs to be borne in mind that you will be assessed as to how you are on your renewal date so notes from early 2020 may be of less use at that point.

    3 - you cannot legally prove that an assessor lied. You may show they were factuality incorrect but that is all. Making such an assertion will absolutely damage your credibility as a claimant. Also worth remembering that the HCP is not there to simply repeat what you say and the decision itself was made by DWP based on all the evidence and not just the HCP report. If you fell short you will have done so explicitly because of weaknesses in your evidence rather than strengths in theirs. 

    4 - if you treat a PIP application as an opportunity to have your say it’s pretty much inviting failure. Your opinion on aspects of the process will distract from the evidence base and again likely damage your credibility. A less charitable way of putting this would be “shooting your self in the foot”.

    5 - adding DWP you will do an MR or appeal osa threat and a meaningless one. They already know you have that right before they make their initial decision. Most likely you’ll just be quietly laughed at and then get a negative decision because, once again, you have not focused on your own evidence.

    6 - threats about a HCP are meaningless. They will be disregarded at the renewal and MR stages as irrelevant agd at the appeal stage most tribunals know about the quality issues so you’re kicking at an open door and need not dwell on it at all. You are confusing frankness with evidence. Evidence will win your claim. Threats/frankness will not. 

    7 - I’m struggling to think of anything which could amount to a more foolish approach than a comparison to your neighbour. Frankly it wouldn’t matter who they were but even if they had the same condition it would be of no relevance. It’s absolutely normal for two people to have the same condition but very different symptoms and functional abilities. Furthermore, judging someone by what you see in public is a mugs hand. You have literally no idea what goes on behind closed doors; the exact nature of their diagnosis and so on. You look petty and spiteful and, more importantly, once again you’re focusing on anything but your own evidence. That is always a mistake.

    8 - Writing an essay is wholly unnecessary and based on the delusion that the form somehow doesn’t fit your health issues. There is no health condition I’ve come across yet which doesn’t fit into a PIP2/AR1 form. By all means add extra sheets. One side if A4 per 2x real world examples per activity will more than suffice. There is of course no obligation to fill in the form but, frankly, it is hard to imagine a scenario where the better option would be to write an essay. 

    In summary then you have provided as good an example I have seen as to how not to approach a review.
  • oldngrumpy
    oldngrumpy Member Posts: 118 Pioneering
    Thank you for your honest and forthright answer.
    I shall keep my mouth shut
  • woodbine
    woodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 5,256 Disability Gamechanger
    Thank you for your honest and forthright answer.
    I shall keep my mouth shut
    @oldngrumpy I suppose it all comes down to attitude, and a positive attitude never hinders imho.
    Offering PIP advice to people with epilepsy.
  • Cher_Inactive
    Cher_Inactive Posts: 4,414

    Scope community team

    @oldngrumpy Good luck with your PIP review when it comes around.  You've been given some great, frank advice by our members that will hold you in good stead and although I appreciate negative memories of past experiences can lead to harbouring frustration, it's important to focus on the best approach to getting you the deserved award this time around.  

    If you have any more questions, please do ask.  Take care and keep us posted :)
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