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Opinions of the benefit cap?

fizzlefizzle Member Posts: 3 Listener
edited June 21 in Disabled people
What are everyone’s thoughts on the benefit cap and do you think there should be more exceptions? Is it too high? Too low? 
Really curious what everyone thinks about it and hoping for a discussion. 
I’m currently capped and everyone I speak to seems to agree with the cap and thinks it’s a good thing just wondering if anyone is opposed?

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  • woodbinewoodbine Community Co-Production Group Posts: 4,388 Disability Gamechanger
    @fizzle hi and welcome to scope, hope you are well today?
    I don't really do discussion on benefits legislation because nothing we talk about on here will make a blind bit of difference, if pushed I would say I agree there should be a cap but I'm not sure if the current cap is the right one.
    I assume that you would be against a cap?
    "Putting a child into care, isn't caring for a child" (T.Rhattigan)
  • fizzlefizzle Member Posts: 3 Listener
    Hello @woodbine and thank you for the warm welcome! 
    I reckon most people feel their opinion on legislation makes no difference at all, I know I do! I still find it interesting to hear people’s thoughts.

    I wouldn’t say I’m against the benefit cap completely but I do think it should be set in a way that doesn’t include rent/housing costs.
    We can’t help how much rent is, if that makes sense? 
    I’m not sure what better system there would be though.

    being honest I’m not totally sure I understand the reason it was introduced in the first place 🤔 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 6,533 Disability Gamechanger
    Put simply the DWP justification for the cap was/is three fold.

    The Government said that the key aims of the cap were to:
    • Increase incentives to work;
    • Introduce greater fairness between those on out-of-work benefits and taxpayers in employment; and
    • Make financial savings and incentivise behaviours that reduce long-term dependency on benefits.
    The evidence on the first was examined in https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmworpen/1477/full-report.html#heading-6 and the conclusion was that firstly the impact can’t be measured and, secondly, if you used the DWP make-shift methodology their conclusions looked over-stated at best and made up at worst. In other words it’s a political decision with no evidence base.

    The logic of the second is perverse. Why is it possible for benefits to exceed earnings? Is it because of excessive expenditure on benefits or a race to the bottom with earnings . Zero hours contracts; the gig economy and the fact that in work poverty exceeds out of work poverty suggests that, instead of choosing to legislate against low pay, the government simply chose to lower benefits so everyone is worse off. Oh look, a political decision once again. 

    Overall the “welfare” budget is falling, but, by far the largest part of that is pensions, which caused the perceived “problem” in the first place. That is, if you believe paying people a decent pension enabling them to spend in their local economy is a “problem”. Whilst DWP talk in terms of saving billions the bigger issue is that broadly expenditure remains at 10% and the real issue is who you’re saving from and the cost it has to them and society in general. 

    “Incentivising behaviours that reduce long-term dependency on benefits.“ we now know means broadly:

    - ”forcing people onto UC even if it makes them worse off”
    - “sanctioning people to the point of needing food banks”.

    Whatever else we think, there is no evidence to justify a benefit cap whatsoever and there never has been.



  • lisathomas50lisathomas50 Posts: 4,310 Disability Gamechanger
    I think whichever way it is not everyone wants to work the cap will probably cause more problems for incentive to work wages need to be higher everyone who works should be on a decent liveing wage not a minimum wage and tax should be lower 

    Maybe then we might get somewhere 
  • Peter99Peter99 Member Posts: 61 Connected
    edited June 20
    Of course the DWP objective of benefit cap has nothing to do with saving money and oppression of the vulnerables.....  that is what DWP wants us to believe 
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