Waiting on dission on my pip

rach21
rach21 Community member Posts: 12 Listener
in PIP, DLA, and AA
I got report back and health assessor more less made it out im on nothing luckily I got in touch with them to get evidence I've been in my medication for 4 year and get them in repeat and delivered to my door so they av got further information from my doctors and received it im just wondering wat out come be cos she may aswell said im on no medication and ok ?  doctors will confirm her wrong I've been on medication for 4 year and so they have received evidence off them just waiting game now ??
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  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 800 Empowering
    Please re-look at your Assessment Report and see if the reports states about it being a medical assessment.
      My first question is how were you assessed?  Was it a Face to Face, Via a cloud call or by telephone lin and assessed over the phone, did they introduce them selves giving their name and I D number?  before the assessment started and did you have anyone with you at the time of the interview?
      If the report bares no resembence to the interview you had ask for a copy of the recorded interview, since they would have had to record inorder to interview as there is no F2F interviews yet.  Check that the report had your up to date prescription and medica history on it. 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    edited August 2021
    Any information you send in will be taken into account. It is, as you say, a waiting game.
  • Cress
    Cress Community member Posts: 1,005 Trailblazing
    @onebigvoice
    Just wanted to ask I thought no recordings are made unless specifically requested?
    Or are you referring to a written record?
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    edited August 2021
    Some information on recording here 
    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/audio-recording-option-set-to-be-introduced-for-all-pip-assessments-says-dwp/

    and Q225 of this transcript
    https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/963/default/
  • Cress
    Cress Community member Posts: 1,005 Trailblazing
    Thanks for that @calcotti
    Good to know but it does say people do still have to request this.
    Seems to be going in the right direction at least.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    Cress said:
    Thanks for that @calcotti
    Good to know but it does say people do still have to request this.
    Agrred.
  • MarkM88
    MarkM88 Community member Posts: 3,121 Connected
    onebigvoice said:
    Please re-look at your Assessment Report and see if the reports states about it being a medical assessment.
      My first question is how were you assessed?  Was it a Face to Face, Via a cloud call or by telephone lin and assessed over the phone, did they introduce them selves giving their name and I D number?  before the assessment started and did you have anyone with you at the time of the interview?
      If the report bares no resembence to the interview you had ask for a copy of the recorded interview, since they would have had to record inorder to interview as there is no F2F interviews yet.  Check that the report had your up to date prescription and medica history on it. 
    Love to know where you have gotten all that from. 
  • rach21
    rach21 Community member Posts: 12 Listener
    Mine was telephone one I've had report back I asked for that couple days after had my telephone assessment  and read that she said had not been on medication but my evidence from doctors will change the disscriptors decision wont it ?
    Thanks for your replys 
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    edited August 2021
    rach21 said:..my evidence from doctors will change the disscriptors decision wont it ?
    As advised the Decision Maker is expected to look at all the available evidence when making the decision. Whether the question of whether or not you take medication affects the decision is another matter.
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 800 Empowering
    THAT'S THE PROBLEM.  The medication you take affects you on a daily basis, since I cannot function without then and not taking them is not an option to me like many others.
      The other problem every one has is that you believe that the Decision Maker and the ASSESSOR are MEDICALLY QUALIFIED?  well they are not?  Show me any report written by them that is in your MEDICAL HISTORY?  you won't find one single report.  This is how I win so many cases in a Tribunal.  Question: ( In or out of a court )  Show me the medical  information you used to assess me and support the decision made by the Decision Maker.  By stating the assessor is qualified or been approved by the Secretary of State does not give you permission to share my files with any third party with out first showing me their medical qualifications to assess me and know s/he has been matched up with my illness, so if more than one illness say physical and mental bothqualifications will be needed to justify your report.
      This is why I always ask for a statement of reason from the Decision Maker after each award notice and ask then to supply the medical evidence?
      THey can't, because they will say they have been approved by the Secretary of State to assess?  This is not a medical qualification it is an Information Gathering excercise which will not support their claim against you since your reports and letters/operations, even prescriptions are on headed paer and can be traced,theirs can't. 
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 800 Empowering
    onebigvoice said:
    Please re-look at your Assessment Report and see if the reports states about it being a medical assessment.
      My first question is how were you assessed?  Was it a Face to Face, Via a cloud call or by telephone lin and assessed over the phone, did they introduce them selves giving their name and I D number?  before the assessment started and did you have anyone with you at the time of the interview?
      If the report bares no resembence to the interview you had ask for a copy of the recorded interview, since they would have had to record inorder to interview as there is no F2F interviews yet.  Check that the report had your up to date prescription and medica history on it. 
     Since there is no Face to Face interviews taking place the DWP have to arrange either a cloud or Telephone assessment, and at the start of every assessment it states tat this call is being recorded for security and training purposes? 
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 800 Empowering
    calcotti said:
    Some information on recording here 
    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/audio-recording-option-set-to-be-introduced-for-all-pip-assessments-says-dwp/

    and Q225 of this transcript
    https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/963/default/
    calcotti said:
    Some information on recording here 
    https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/audio-recording-option-set-to-be-introduced-for-all-pip-assessments-says-dwp/

    and Q225 of this transcript
    https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/963/default/
      Yes you are quite right but this was before everything changed in 2019 because of the pandemic.
      All assessments were terminated and most which were due were given an extention to that as they thought that it would be all over in 6 months so they were giving people one year extentions to their award.  Those that were querring the award were given telephone assessments but even those became rare since they started doing it on paper based, and since the assessor also could not see you to do a face to face assessment it was easier to increase the assessment review date.
      10 year assessment reviews are not impossible if you do know all the rules and regulations but you also have to remember that not every one is conversant with the law or what happens when DWPor PIP's abuse the law?
      This is why I explain in more detail its not a I'm smarter than you attitude but after 15 years and the qualifications I have I do know the laws used by DWP and PIP's.
      On a different note and always eager to earn I would like to see your template as I have been writing risk assessments and Method statements for over 40 years which go to the HSE.  and your never to old to learn new forms since the systemis changing all the time.
      Have you ever tried to get a copy of the transcript?  Since the first question after introducing my self and them the same is can you state your medical qualifications before the assessment begins including your medica reference number as it is shown on the appropiate medical register?
      The answer back:  I am not medically trained but a Disabiity Analyist and been trained to sheck the paperwork supplied by both parties.  So explain how you can read my prescription list and comment on the interaction of the tablets I take.
      That was a 5 year award after they "lost " the assessment and used one done in 2017? 
  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 800 Empowering
    MarkN88 said:
    onebigvoice said:
    Please re-look at your Assessment Report and see if the reports states about it being a medical assessment.
      My first question is how were you assessed?  Was it a Face to Face, Via a cloud call or by telephone lin and assessed over the phone, did they introduce them selves giving their name and I D number?  before the assessment started and did you have anyone with you at the time of the interview?
      If the report bares no resembence to the interview you had ask for a copy of the recorded interview, since they would have had to record inorder to interview as there is no F2F interviews yet.  Check that the report had your up to date prescription and medica history on it. 
    Love to know where you have gotten all that from. 
     First comment: the term Medicl Assessment is used on all documents used by the Secretary of State.  This is because the decision Makers have no medical knowlege or back ground and therefore cannot comment on any medical information sent to them unless its some thing like Terminal Cancer or others that are not in dispute.  But when it comes to assessing how arthritis affects walking or bending they ask for Capita, Maximus, ATOS and Concentrix ( there are others but these are the ain ones used. )  to write a report about you by way ofan assessment.
      If you read the charter and what to expect at the assessment  the term MEDICAL, MEDICAL ASSESSMENT AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL are used about 7 times in the first page?  This leads the claimant to believe that they are receiving a MEDICAL Examination/assessment.  Its NOT a medical anything, since its an assessment for access to benefits.  But because they are being paid to produce a reprt about you under the laws they use the third party assessment company must also abide by th same laws.
      This is known as Candor, in simple terms the main contractor ( DWP ) has a contract with you, if he requires a specialist report, ( a medical assessment of the claimant )  he can subcontract but they must also abode by the same rules.
      This is Candor, and means it must seek your permission before releasing any information to Capita, Maximus, ATOS, that's the Data Protection Act,  The assessment companies if you read their charter state that the cirrect assessor will be paired up with the claimant where possible, depending on the illnesses described in the paper work supplied by you which includes medical information, which is also covered under the Data Protection Act for the release of your medical files to anyone.
      Even the pope needs permission to get my medical history?  The payment to these people is nt by yo but the DWP and the Secretary of State, that is why in their form filling it also states that we can use the information you provide to other departments ( Capita is now an extention of PIP's assessment.)  that have been approved by the Secretary of State. 
      But when you ask these companiesanything about this they will not tell you anything?  A breach of the Data protection, and certainly wont tell you about their assessors since they cannot be found on any medical professional register.
      Check the title of the report writer/assessor on the medical title used and see what qualifications they have?
      They will either not be found or was a title they held many years ago but have been struck off.  One such assessor was struck off in his own country for medical neglegence and his qualifications were not recodnised by the Medica Board yet he had been assessong fr 10 years with no qualifications?
      I do not believe the Secretary of State when they say we have approved ATOS or Maximus when they won't answer a simple question that is on the charter.  When challanged will show a valid up to date picture I D ?  If you have seen a valid I D or been given a valid I D number for an assessor then post it to me to see as in 15 years and probably 20 assessments of my own and gong along as support for many others I have never seen one?  In an assessment for a friend recently and its was a review again not wearing any identification said my I D is being charged up?  What type of I D was that it took her 20 minutes to find it?  when asked how did you enter the building, she said they know me on the front gate and let me in.
      This inits sef a breach of the fire regulations, as everyone on site must be logged in and out incase of a fire.
      This is why when at reception you fill out a form as to how you got their.
    My job is to stop having to explain all this and take the strain of form filling away from the claimant.  There are other laws like the 2013 Social Security ACT and then another set of laws relating to the Tribunal Service.
      So far as assessors go there is a 68 Page risk assessment and method statement just on walking/time/distance, how many of those are you cinversant with?  Their is Professor Harrington's report the basis of Assessments and DWP/PIP's regulations over 1000 pages, after the first year he wrote anither scathing report about DLA and what they were not doing in law, and continued over the next 3 years.  Does being disabled make you an expert.  YES IT DOES, because you forget anything and you don't function.  That why forums like this help, because there is no stupid question, only one not asked. .  
  • calcotti
    calcotti Community member Posts: 10,005 Championing
    onebigvoice said: Yes you are quite right but this was before everything changed in 2019 because of the pandemic.
    The links I referenced are from September 2020 and February 2021.
  • rach21
    rach21 Community member Posts: 12 Listener
    Oh dear ? 
  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Scope Posts: 12,443 Championing
    Thread closed pending review.
  • Tori_Scope
    Tori_Scope Scope Posts: 12,443 Championing
    edited August 2021
    Hi @onebigvoice,

    Similar to what I said on this thread, please ensure that all information you share on the community is accurate, and backed up by links to reputable sources. As our house rules state:
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    We also ask that responses given are relevant to the question. Of course, discussions sometimes veer slightly off-topic, but the original poster's questions must be kept in mind throughout. If you'd like to discuss a different topic, you're welcome to start your own discussion.
    This leads the claimant to believe that they are receiving a MEDICAL Examination/assessment.  Its NOT a medical anything, since its an assessment for access to benefits.
    You're right that their job isn't to perform a medical examination as such, but rather assess someone's eligibility for PIP. PIP isn't awarded based on a diagnosis, but rather how someone's condition affects them in line with the PIP descriptors. Medical evidence can be submitted by claimants, but anecdotal evidence is often more powerful. 

    Hi @rach21,

    I'm sorry to hear that you don't feel as though the assessor's report accurately reflects your situation. Try to sit tight and wait for your decision letter to come through so that you can work out your next steps. If you don't get the award you believe you're entitled to, you can submit a Mandatory Reconsideration (MR). There's some information about that here on the Turn2Us website if you'd like to read about it. I'll also drop this page on the Benefits and Work website here in case you need it in the future, as the 'additional information' section at the bottom is useful in understanding what terms like 'reliably', 'safely', and so on mean. MRs are reasonably straightforward, so it'd be worth doing if you think you're entitled to more.

    I've reopened your thread so that you can ask any further questions you may have, or ask for clarifications on any other points.

  • hughiemachrins
    hughiemachrins Community member Posts: 75 Contributor
    @Tori_Scope I am not sure I agree with your advice to "sit tight and wait". When I got a copy of the assessors report that I didn't think was right (6 DL and 0 Mob) I immediately sent a letter explaining my concerns and saying where I thought the report was inaccurate. As a result of this, I received 8 points DL and 10 Mobility. If I had just sat tight, I would now be preparing for an MR. 
  • Cress
    Cress Community member Posts: 1,005 Trailblazing
    I think the op has already contacted them and sent further evidence to be looked at.
    I don't see how op can do anything else other then sit tight at the moment.

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