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Can you introduce the effects of a new condition to a PIP application at the MR stage?

Andywheels56 Member Posts: 39 Connected
edited October 2021 in PIP, DLA, and AA
Hello again

Can you introduce the effects of a new condition to a pip application at the MR stage. The original application centred on a lack of motivation caused by tinnitus. However, after having blood work done over the last 4 months my doctor says I am suffering from arthritis in my hands and arms and has referred me to rheumatology for assessment. 


  • bg844
    bg844 Member Posts: 346 Pioneering
    If you’ve got a new condition, or a condition that has changed you’d have to request a change of circumstances or if you have no award you’d have to reapply. It’s based on how you was at the original assessment. No harm telling them but they’ll make the remark of re-applying.
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 25,571 Disability Gamechanger
    PIP is not awarded based on any diagnosis. As you said your claim is based around how the tinnitus affects you then i'm assuming your arthritis didn't affect you a great deal if you didn't mention any of the symptoms on your original claim? If this is correct then your new condition and how it may affect you will not be considered.
    I note from previous threads that you were previously refused PIP, has this new claim also been refused, which is the reason for the MR? Or were you awarded something and just not happy with the award?
  • Andywheels56
    Andywheels56 Member Posts: 39 Connected
    The arthritis is a new condition and was not mentioned in the pip application. You are correct poppy, this is the second time I have applied for pip, and the second time I have scored 0 points on all activities within the pip descriptors. Have now requested a MR of the original decision, before taking it to tribunal. Had no problem getting N/S ESA support group with my condition but I'm finding this pip benefit a hard nut to crack. 
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Member Posts: 25,571 Disability Gamechanger
    PIP and ESA are 2 completely different benefits, with totally different criteria. You can have a disability but not qualify for PIP because if you don't fit the descriptors, you won't score the points needed for an award. You can't make the descriptors fit you, you either qualify or you don't.
    Expert advice is needed to check whether you qualify because if you don't then it doesn't matter how many times you apply, you will continue to be refused. Start here.

  • mikehughescq
    mikehughescq Member Posts: 8,234 Disability Gamechanger
    The key question is whether your symptoms were there at the point of application. If not, then mentioning them now will either:

    - trigger a suggestion from DWP that you have deteriorated and therefore need to forget the original claim and make a new one. 
    - provide the opportunity for the original claim to be rejected on the basis that they can now glibly claim their original decision to reject was clearly correct but that might change if you make a new claim. 

    Neither are great.

    if your symptoms existed at the date of claim then the date of diagnosis is irrelevant. 

    All that said, I don’t think it’s especially difficult to see why your claim failed. There is zero connection between tinnitus and motivation. That’s incredibly simple. As regards the arthritis then there is a potential impact but you need to link it to the PIP activities. This particular claim has been commented on at length - - and by your own admission Age UK could only see 2 points. I could see similar at best. You’ve been pointed towards expert advice previously but have actively challenged that advice on here and elsewhere. Comes a point when you need to accept that the consequences of your health conditions do not enable you to qualify.


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