The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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YouTube has a good video that breaks it down. Noah bear nyle .
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For what its worth a friend of mine has told me there is a fair amount of opposition to the cuts, many people consider 6 billion by end of parliament as not a lot of money for the government, and recognise the harm this will cause. Things like triple lock on pensions and the bail out of thames water are costing far more money, so people are working out the nastiness behind this. People have also started talking about the proposed 2% 10million plus wealth tax that would raise 24 billion a year, its the gossip of an entire office today. Population is going to end up split on it.
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New claimants 2026 does this mean people who are ill or disabled will be after that or before?
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Are we going to be reviewed asper our existing due dates for PIP, or do you think they will do them early? My review is in 10 years.
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Hi it doesn't work
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Correct.
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I agree. It’s ok saying you need 4 point on one descriptor but the process is fraudulent. I now that’s a strong statement to make but it’s happened to me every time . And it’s not the dwp but Atos etc. either twist my words or ignore all evidence. First assessor zero points and I fought them for two years. Last assessor asked me have I studied my form that by this time was about two years old. I said no as I can tell the truth. She then asked me 2 point questions so I got highest but no 4 plus . Because I was happy with my award for care I didn’t appeal it but it’s something in future I’ll have to check and record myself
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I sorry worried33. I still can't understand or see and answer to my question. Will new style ESA support group payment be taken away? And if you don't qualify for UC you get nothing else
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Also forgot to mention, the daily living component restrictions to 4 point minimum will certainly have a knock on effect for carers allowance. And will be another loss. If we are not eligible for daily living because of the ridiculous 4 points ratio, then the people who care for us on carers allowance will lose their money too.
Please oppose the consultations in the green paper, targetting the disabled is abysmal and the lowest of lows.
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If you received a 10yr award, i very much doubt you'll be reviewed for a long long time
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well said . I hope you get enhanced for both . You can wave hello to Kendall in your new car as she leaves parliament
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Its a concerning time for everyone.
I have only just started the WCA getting Fit Notes process. Hope to get my 2nd one on Thursday. I'm almost 64, worked most of my adult life and volunteered. I cannot retire until I'm 67 so another 3 years but I'm still being pushed as I am unemployed now. My health has got worse over the years and new conditions added including osteoarthritis and I've had two sudden silent angina attacks in the past two weeks (was in hospital yesterday, never had heart issues before). I'm also in hypertension crises.
If the WCA assesment questions are going to be on a par with PIP but even harder I'm not sure I'll get very far. I live alone so I have to do everything myself no matter how it affects me . Then if I am awarded LRWCA I'll likely get a much lower rate.
What an absolute crime against us all.
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Hi all
The green paper states that any change to PIP descriptors is a complex process that will take a long time, and will only be implemented after all currently suggested reforms are. A lot of these reforms are due in 2028-2029. Bear in mind we’re also due another general election 2029 and a lot can change in a few years, government direction changes, policies change, European law changes etc.The biggest impact INITIALLY is by far and large on NEW claimants. Effects on existing claimants will be based on
- if the law has passed/guidance fully implemented at the time of your re-assessment
Until such law(s) passes, you are reassessed on current rulesThe 4 point rule is the more pressing issue to be concerned with, and NOT a change to descriptors.
By the governments own admission today, changes to descriptors will be looked at AFTER ALL THIS HAS BEEN SORTED….. and lots of these changes, by the governments own timelines, will take YEARS to implement - that’s if they aren’t watered down.
When this starts getting into the nitty gritty and debated in the House of Commons/ Lords, that’s when there’s a chance that safeguards/substantial risk amendments will likely start creeping in.
What I can say is NONE of this has changed today or tomorrow so please try and calm your anxiety - we are all in this together and we will work through our challenges together!
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Over on Benefits & Work. Bogus green paper consultation..
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/dwp-launches-entirely-bogus-green-paper-consultation#:~:text=The%20DWP%20has%20launched%20an,that%20matters%20most%20to%20claimants
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but can anyone confirm the correct wording for my award (group) please as I'm never sure?
I was originally on incapacity benefit since 2004 and was moved to ESA around 2013 I think and placed in the support group. From 2004 DLA and then pip and an ongoing award for pip given in 2019 and says "will be looked at 2029" enhanced for living and mobility. I remember something about a top up for esa, so can anyone tell from my rates exactly what mine is called, and dont think any of it is CB based?
ESA £159.05 per week
Basic - £90.50
Support group - £47.70
Premium? - £20.85
pip - £184.30 per week
enhanced living - £108.55
enhanced mobility - £75.55
I've not had my migration letter yet, but I dont understand for certain what all different acronyms are.
Thank you.
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Simple answer is start spending and enjoying yourself before it changes then get UC and all the other benefits that you get with that like free prescriptions, dentist, housing benefit, cheaper internet, water and then when your older they will pay for your care because you've got no savings. it's all wrong, they have made it even more of a reason not to work in my opinion
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I'm just sitting here thinking what has this country come to.
I'm in the middle of forced migration. I say forced because they forced me to do it. They kept calling my house, asking me when I was going to submit my form (I left it until last minute because of all the stress I'd previously gone through with the JC), when I started ignoring their calls, they sent me a text message telling me that they'll organise a home visit for me to complete their precious form. I completed the form last week and am sitting here waiting for them to do whatever they are going to do until 5th April.
Now this happens today.
I have no idea where I stand.
I've been going through reassessments for both ESA and PIP the last 2.5 years. I finally got my ESA finally completed last Jan (2024) and placed back in the support group. My PIP after a year was completed this Jan (2025). None of that was easy. All of it stressful. Having to go through your form over the telephone and trying to explain to someone what a nightmare your life is was miserable and horrible. Thankfully, the lady who did my assessment was actually a decent lady and seemed aware of Lupus and all the ugliness that goes with it.
Now today happens.
What happens to all those assessments I went through? Do they even count now? Do I have to be reassessed again? I found my PIP paperwork from Jan 2025, the lady who did the assessment didn't even state how long my award is for. She just said, using the information from my other assessment, she can issue a longer award..what does that even mean?
I thought this was normal, until today when everyone in here on PIP seems to know how long their awards are. Also checked my daily living and mobility component and I'm on enhanced for both and I have 2s and 3s on the daily living component and only one 4. Like many here have said, I suspect that will magically disappear at next assessment.
Genuinely thought I had just finished with all this reassessment nonsense in Jan, but looks like this never ending hamster wheel is just going to keep turning.
I'm tired and exhausted by the whole thing.
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Yes that was the only glimmer I took from today, Recordings.
This is something long overdue because the bonus payments these people get
has no place when people's lives are depending on at least a fair and informed hearing.
I wont lie I have never like Wes Streeting, ME, Long covid they need investment and the NHS needs a rollout of a plan, Kendall really should visit a long covid clinic (the ones there are)
and see the kids there then ask herself why younger people are claiming, A lot of them basically are getting over house arrest where for months they were denied contact with the outside world, Life experiences and friends. They keep saying about the increase since the pandemic, we had one of the worst outcomes in the World,
Dear lord how many programmes did ITV make about the impact on Derek Draper.
Its an inconvenient truth they want to avoid I sincerely hope at the committee stage
MP's and groups highlight conditions like ME and Long covid.
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it’s only since long Covid that ME has really been talked about. I’ve had ME diagnosed many years with no interest then suddenly it’s all long Covid. But still no help for ME.
As for them recording it I’ll still record it myself as last time dwp wrote that they wanted it recorded. On the day Atos called me 30 mins before assessment to say assessor didn’t have equipment. Then they lied and blamed dwp
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