The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

Very true to both comments. I have friends and family - disabled and non disabled, some were Labour some were more never-Tories. Some occasionally voted for Tories but weren't fans of Tories (don't ask). What I do know is that none of them will vote Tory again, and none of them will vote Labour again. It's defiantely going to be interesting. The big wolf in the room is will this enable Farage/Reform to sweep in. But the thing is Labour can't keep getting away with this **** - they keep going after vulnerable people - this isn't a one off and frankly even if it was it's unforgiveable.

hi all

I am on standard daily living, first award 6 years ago with 8 pts, also standard mobility

3 years ago with 10 pts for standard, got enhanced mobility

Never had 4 pts on one, been 2pters etc, bit concerned 

Even if I had 4 pter would be dubious they don’t put it to 3 when changes happen, get 12 pts or more, no 4 pts on any!

Also just recently sent my review form back, award was till September 2025, now had to do new review form which was bit nightmare even for cab!

Conditions have worsened, dubious they are already going to sneakily carry out my review along new guidelines, don’t trust them, very stressful 

Maybe it’s better now than November 2026, or is it?

Yes I intend to do that.

I will go into much more detail on all of the daily living activities.

I agree . For one thing the 4? Points clearly discriminates against certain levels of disability so you can get 20 points , go through all the system and have no award . Nit to mention the wca and pip assessment were different tests . Unless they incorporate the assessment for sickness into pip assessment it’s basically excluding ppl who are sick . And there’s no safety net , everything hangs on those 4 points . Kendall knows the assessors are the ones committing fraud not us hence covering their back with recording . Obviously sometimes the recording equipment doesn’t work. Or in my case they didn’t have any available but didn’t realise until a hour before my test .

I have ME amongst other things and over exertion or exercise is considered dangerous. I will be asking them to take personal responsibility if I become worse .

a lot of dwp staff are on pip so I’ve been told . I know for a fact Atos staff are as one answering the phone to me told me

Hi , so does that mean the 4 Points situation cannot be fought in law as that seems to be the gateway to benefits now . What I don’t understand is when Tory’s tried to bring in new laws everything seemed to get stopped by legal action and our courts or the echr . Does it mean had they brought things in as primary laws they could have passed everything they pleased ?

My worry is how will people afford their prescriptions if they lose their benefits.

I take 13 different medications per day and I know many people will be on similar or even more medication.

I was expecting a light touch review in 2029 but if their goal is to get as many people as possible off of PIP then I may not be okay despite scoring 4's under the current system. It doesn't make me feel happy or good that so many other disabled people are going through so much anguish over the possibilty of losing their PIP and then LCWRA and potentially inability to afford their medication.

I just don't get why he was a human right's lawyer - unless he's got those sociopathic traits that some surgeons etc have (not talking about serial killers, there are sociopaths who don't harm people) and he was in it just to win etc. I suppose it'll depend how much Labour want to win another election. MPs get a lot of perks (expenses anyone) there will be labour MPs that absolutely will not care about us, but they will care about loosing their seat, perks and expenses (how many of us would like subsidised food and drinks, travel expenses, rent expenses…). The weird thing is Labour's Renters bill is actually good and will help a lot of people but then they act like total sociopaths to anyone who they feel is not 'economically active' - except they forget that includes children, early retirees, pensioners, unemployed, maternity/paternity, stay at home parents, some full time students, employed people on zero hours contracts - now that is a huge swath of people and every single person will be in one of those catagories in their lifetime, guarenteed. It's not just that this reform bill is cruel and unnecersary, it's really, really, really badly thought out. It'll impact people waaaaay beyond just the disabled (carers, NHS, family, employers of disabled/sick people, the economy - good luck when disabled/sick people can't afford to buy goods and services). Thing is Labour like Tories are pos in a death spiral. They don't know who they are or what they want. Too many gen public people were against Corbyn, they're too afraid to go for a socialist/Bernie Sanders type so that leaves the centeristist types, and somany people in govt (of all kinds) are so, so afraid and in awe of billionaires. I honestly think money - the persuit of making more and more and more (specifically for billionaires) is more addictive than crack and sugar combined (sorry for rant)