The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I received enhanced on both aspects and just read my assessment notes for the first time in a long while. I did score a 4 on care; yet was shocked to see some zeroes where it was obvious it should have been a 3-5+; which I will be arguing at my next assessment.
I wouldn't be too concerned with previous assessments as I believe the government have surely seen the high level of tribunals at present and in the past, mainly due to the assessors either being dishonest, inept or a combo of both! -(imo)
When it comes to my renewal/review, I'm going to raise all of the errors in my past assessment and mention all my provable-increasing-disabilities, since that application
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Its not just existing claimants but new claimants will also be affected.
None of it is fair.
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Same here, I sympathise. I offered to send photos to my consultant/gp, basically anyone with any interest, 🤣 strangely they all said no thanks (117 visits in 20 hrs my worse). It did cross my mind would any government people want them but that might be considered a hate crime 🤣😭. I've not heard of closmat loo I'll Google that. I can't even go on water meter which was told would ordinarily be cheaper but it won't be for me.
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That's one visit per 10 mins🤔😟
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Liz kendall wants those cheeky young people on benefits to be forced to join the army instead....
So stopping under 22s from claiming incapacity benefit so they can force them to join the army instead.... **** is wrong with this gov.
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I am caught in the abyss of being on Contributory ESA but living in Portugal. So if they merge it with JSA and make it a temporary benefit I cannot claim UC from here when that ends. I have chronic and degenerative diseases so I would likely pass the threshold to not have to have a reassessment, but if ESA is axed there is no exportable benefit I can claim. So much for the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement protecting our rights to remain in our countries and have our benefits exported! I am looking at losing over €8000 a year. ESA is my only income except PIP but that is supposed to be for my (many!) extra costs of being disabled, not my only source of income! I have obviously raised this gaping chasm in support in the Green Paper and also written to Ministers@dwp.gov.uk. I also emailed Diane Abbott hoping she may raise the issue. With no EU MP any more I don't know how else to get this raised in the 'discussions' when they change this benefit?!
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@MiddletonSadly, without going into the ins and outs of my 'plumbing' visits were frequently less than 1 minute apart, the 'luxury' of a 10 min break would have been welcome. Only took photos after c 25 visits as thought my consultant will probably not believe one could go so often as it at least records the time. If I ever lost my phone..... if it gets stolen it will serve them right.
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yes I too read that . Go to war a hero but come back injured or disabled and will be hated and destitute. Especially if you dare to get PTSD .
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@Middleton my first bowel consultant told me there's evidence Covid can remain in the bowel and my inflammation levels are always very high. Never had one issue with this prior to Covid; hoping to go on anti-viral trial next year and praying I don't have perforation prior to that.
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I've justed emailed John mcdonnell to say how it will impact us and to challenge the 4 point system
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I'm really sorry, from the sound of things you should be a 4 in one area. I'm in same boat where I'm 2s and 3s but no 4. I think they've deiberately chosen this number precisely because they know a lot of people don't have 4s.
I'm not sure when they plan to bring in the 4 points but it's not law yet, so I'm not sure if they could legally force this on people.
One suggestion I've seen is trying to document/record your struggles if you or a friend/loved one is able to. Another suggestion on the forum that looks good is if you can access them online print off all your GP notes and include them in your reassessment. If you can't access them online I think you have the legal right to request a copy of them - odds are it will be long and they will have to read them. Also get as many health care professionals (inc GP, counsellor, pyshiotherapists etc), any carers, family/friends who see you struggle it down in a letter, include that.
On your reassessment be extremely explicit and blunt about not just what you can't do and struggle to do explain the effect of it, how it impacts on you physically, emotionally and mentally. Ram it down their throats. Think about your worst day when filling out the reassessment. If you need to get someone to help you both with the form and go to any re-assessment. Also if they demand a face-to-face consider requesting a phone appointment or that they come to your home if you're OK with face-to-face, this is a reasonable adjustment you are legally entitled to under the Disabilities Act 2010.
It wouldn't surprise me if you have gotten worse since your last assessment - make sure you make that very, very clear what is worse for you, how it effects and impacts you. If there are things you can't do yourself, please make that very clear.
Also 2026 is a year away, with any luck they will be pressured to drop the 4 point thing and if they don't, I think they will be taken to court because to say someone is no longer eligiable for PIP when their health, or their condition or circumstances have either not changed since their last PIP or has gotten worse is discrimination and makes no sense legally.
There's a YouTuber Charlie Anderson who gives a lot of advice about PIP assessment/re-assesment. She is on PIP herself and helps other claiments and doesn't pull any punches about things but her advice I think it really good and she has a very high success rate.
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So, this 4 point system!
If someone has scored 4 points in a single Q for care in the past; and PIP askes "Are you still experiencing the same" -and we answer- 'Yes'! Wouldnt it make sense for PIP to search out those who did score 4's in the past and then fast track the reassessments?
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They want to get people off benefits. So unlikely they will do that.
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Youve missed the point.. If this magical 4 is now thee criteria, it makes sense that those reassessments will be far easier to process.
It would be those with 2s-3's that they would look into more
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I have been thinking about this constantly and whatever way I look at it there is no sense in what Labour are doing, I am left with only one possible explanation and that is they deliberately want to cause us harm and humiliation.
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Collate all the previous 4's.. they have all those records.. Simple Q of "are you the same" etcetc…
"Yes"! .. this way, its far more streamlined
If 4 is the main focus and criteria, thats where the focus will be
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PIP Ongoing award for those over retirement age. Whats happening ?
I am 71 with a ongoing award for PIP, this is due for a review ( "soft touch" ) in December 2027. I have 12 points for mobility and 9 for Daily Living with the the highest score of 3 in one section, Following the green paper yesterday with the new rule of 4 required from November 2026 to maintain the daily living element, what can O do to try and make sure I don't lose it before my soft touch review in December 2027.
I suffer with muscular dystrophy (no cure/hereditary) & Copd. MD is a progressive condition and will not get any better and will only get worse over time. My original claim was in 2017 and although I have not had a sudden worsening of this condition I have had a worsening over the period from 2017. This has affected how I do or can't do things. Should I ask for a reassessment ?
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I know it's really, really hard, a lot of people, myself included have been put in a bleak place. Under this I'll loose most or all of my PIP. Please try not to resign yourself to loosing PIP - I know it's very hard to be positive right now, but there will be people to fight this. So, so many governemnts have tried this with majorities and they've been defeated. That doesn't mean it's going to be easy but a lot can happen to a green paper. This is a wishlist for the government. A lot of their MPs aren't happy with this. The general public isn't. Not everyone believes we're scroungers. The govt will be taken to court because from the sound of it it breaks the Disability Act 2010. It's a rushed, badly thought out, cruel, idiotic policy which is only designed to save them money that they can use on defense. They have not remotely thought this policy through. They are partly doing this because Trump demanded we all increase our defense. This was not in their manifesto, it's a knee jerk reaction. Please don't just assume it's over. Have a look at your award - what did you score in each catagory and when's your next re-assesment? If you could post some details I'd be happy to try to give you some advice about what you can try to do, please don't just accept this. The govt wants people off PIP so it can tell Reform that they got the numbers down - they don't care if it's because people loose PIP, if they die, if they just give up and don't reapply for PIP - it's a win in their books. They don't deserve it. Don't give it to them. (again easier said than done when you're exhausted and tired)
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Probably that they want as many people off PIP as quickly as they can whether legally or not - disqualify, die, don't have energy to reapply, shove them in with unemployment - anything that they can boast about their stats. If they can suddenly make mental health Not Real according to Dr Wes Streeting, MD, PhD then image how many that will slash off PIP. It's about numbers that they can show the public - "look we got rid of all the lazy kids getting free cars, and all the people pretending their bipolar, cancer, severe depression, amputated limbs, CFS, MS, Huntingdon's was 'preventing' them from working - we've got them all contributing to the economy now hooray!" - so they can then put it into defense to appease Trump. This was not in their manifesto, it's a knee-jerk reaction and a panicked reaction to them having a hole in finances and them being also absolutely unwilling to do a wealth tax on the wealtheist in society because my God that would end civilisation! In essence they aren't thinking and don't care to.
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