The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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Probably that they want as many people off PIP as quickly as they can whether legally or not - disqualify, die, don't have energy to reapply, shove them in with unemployment - anything that they can boast about their stats. If they can suddenly make mental health Not Real according to Dr Wes Streeting, MD, PhD then image how many that will slash off PIP. It's about numbers that they can show the public - "look we got rid of all the lazy kids getting free cars, and all the people pretending their bipolar, cancer, severe depression, amputated limbs, CFS, MS, Huntingdon's was 'preventing' them from working - we've got them all contributing to the economy now hooray!" - so they can then put it into defense to appease Trump. This was not in their manifesto, it's a knee-jerk reaction and a panicked reaction to them having a hole in finances and them being also absolutely unwilling to do a wealth tax on the wealtheist in society because my God that would end civilisation! In essence they aren't thinking and don't care to.
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Hi All
I must say when I start reading from page one it seems more positive for me, but by the time I get to page 34 of comments if feels like I have had it!! I have ptsd , anxiety and depression and emtional dysregulation, I get LCWRA and PIP I scored 10 for journey and 6 for mixing with people do I stand a chance? Or have I lost it all?
Thanks
Anna
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I'm going to try and give my response to the Green Paper. I really don't know where to start and how to respond to it.
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Wait where did they say it’s going to be new criteria?
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Do you use a Motability car
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I Know I'm in the minority but I'm not worried at all, it's not just because of my stubborn principled nature of not allowing the DWP to worry me anyway but I genuinely believe this fairyland wishlist won't get anywhere near legislation it's going to be shot down in flames because the "consultation" alone is already dodgy (again) and there's most certainly violations of human rights and equality acts.
I've estimated the quickest they can get this through is next year, but It's likely never seeing the light of day I have a friend on Facebook we speak often she is a solicitor and she says this nonsense isn't going anywhere, we are also thinking there's a possibility labour know that and can back down saying they tried to sneakily keep right wingers on side.
Huge hugs to everyone.
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Timms was justifying the changes to one backbenchers. Timms is a disgrace. Starmer also defending at pmqs evil
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Try writing out a draft in word or on paper before you send it, Maybe just start with your emotions and how you feel and expand from there. I feel the same - where do you begin with this? You can also try to use an AI (chatgpt or claude) and tell it how you are feeling -your emotions etc and ask it to help either draft something for you that you can refine or edit or write something as ask claude/chatgpt to structure it a bit more.
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So I am in ESA work related activity group even though I think I should be in the support group, I haven't had to do any work related activities due to severe anxiety disorder I also get pip standard both, so as I seem to get it there merging jobseeker with ESA wrag ,does this mean we lose our money for bring in a group ? I had the dreaded ESA50 so waiting on a reassessment ,go push them to put me in support group, really uncertain times 😒
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Thank you for your advice. It's much appreciated. I just feel deflated today. I'm not good at doing any of this.
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They also have barristers and solicitors!..
Even if it does go through as they plan; all we can do is give reams of proof regarding our conditions,and refute any incorrect judgments by the assessors.
As for forcing disabled people into the workforce, there would be plenty of reprisals in regards to the dangers &risk of injuries all round, and those people who chose to place those people into that position will be legally held accountable.
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From anyone else reading it, does it read as if the merger situation would only be applicable to new claimants? I was reading previous green papers where something similar (a one benefit thing) has been proposed but has never materialised.
Also, usually with new changes, they ‘honour’ existing claims by keeping them as is and only applying them to new claims.
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Timms is two faced it seems
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You're welcome, I feel the same. I don't know what's worse actually knowing what the want to do (although ultimately I think it's better to know than guess) or whether people will be able too claw back the worst of this. My hope is that the tories tried do to this (or variations) a lot and weren't able to. It makes no sense legally that you can be disabled or sick - your condition and situation does not change or gets worse - one day you qualify for PIp, the next assesment you don't because they'd changed the numbers. A lot of this going against the Disability Act 2010. Mental health including in young people will not go away because your govt mocks it and refuses to acknowledge it. There are only a finite amount of jobs in this country and most employers will go for a health/non-disabled one over one who is.
I do know a lot of non disabled don't agree with this. It's also going to impact on carers - family/friends and professional ones, it's going to impact disabled people's families, it's going to impact disabled people's employers when they can no longer afford to go to work, its going to massively affect the NHS, GPs, it'll effect the economy when disabled people can no longer purchase goods and services, it'll effect MPs when all these people refuse to vote for them. This isn't the first 'punching down' they've done.
They've gone after pensioners, children (two child cap), international aid (which ironically actually keeps us safer) - and let's not forget the whole Middle East situation. They've upset a lot of people. They need to show they aren't the Tories but are so afraid of Reform and Trump that they are trying to appeal to that demographic that will never vote for them anyway. This wasn't in their manifesto, it's a knee jerk reaction to Trump demanding increased defense spending and a panic that they have a black hole in their finances.
The fact is if they had the courage of their predesors like Clement Attlee who introduced the welfare state, (who'd most likely be disgusted by this Labour) they'd bring in a wealth tax that people are begging on people wealth (not their earnings but their assets) over £10 mil. That'd raise I believe £24 mil - so a bit more than their £5-6 mil saving. But they are cowards. And cowards only know how to punch down. They've also most likely gaurenteed themselves to be a one term governement. Feel free to use any of this in your comments to them or plonk into AI. Try to be kind and patient with yourself, this is a awful shock to all our systems.
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My parents are life-long Labour supporters, who loathe the Tories with passion, and do anything they can to ensure the Cons lose where they live - even voting tactically. Both of them say this isn't the Labour party anymore, and they'll never vote for them again. My Dad already had his WFA stripped away, which really affected him, and now this has tipped them over the edge.
The next election is potentially going to be one like we've never seen before. Tory voters disgusted with Tories, Labour voters disgusted with Labour. If they think the welfare state is untenable, they might also want to consider how sustainable their blind ideology is towards punishing the poorest in society.
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Thanks summerlove, so does that mean we are essentially ‘safe’ until 2028? I only receive NS ESA support group, no other benefit.
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I watch it but I was totally confused by it all I get UC lcwra and pip. What does it mean for me and future
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I agree with everything you've said. I like many others on here are grateful for your supportive responses. We'll all have to stick together and fight this. I'm hoping some of these proposals will be watered down.
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You don’t actually NEED PIP or DLA to get a blue badge :)
We have an autistic son who wanders off quite a bit and has no special/danger awareness.
They gave us a blue badge for him. :)0 -
Disagree.
The Tories might have TRIED to be worse but it wouldn’t have made it through the courts.
Just like most of this won’t.1
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