The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)
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I agree - one thing I heard is as much as Liz Kendall is horrific about this, she was boxed into it by Rachel Reeves needing more for defense spending and a budget black hole. Word is that Kendell prior was all about using the carrot to coax people into work. But I agree she won't back down.
As far as court goes not even govts get to break the laws - if this reform goes through and someone has a re-assesment and requests a phone appointment rather than face-to-face because of mental helath, challenging travelling etc - if the govt refuses, they are breaking the Disability Act 2010. If they suddenly decide that I was entitled to PIP in 2023 but in 2027 I am not - not because my condition or circumstances have improved but because I only get 2/3 in all critera, that's discrimnation. A lot of organisations and charities will also take the bill itself to court because it descriminates against so, so many people and their lives depend on PIP.
Hope that makes sense.
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Thank you so so much pinkrose, your comment was so lovely and given me the first glimmer of hope I've had in a very, very long time
Thank you xxx
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@secretsquirrel1 and @pinkrose This is not true. If you meet the descriptors it doesn't matter whether your cared for my family, friends, professionals, or go without help… PIP doesn't covet everything.
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Where did you read it? Xx
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I hope you’re right and it’s nothing I considered or heard of before. Just a comment on YouTube that couldn’t be refuted by the YouTuber who’s usually very good .
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I read the link on Benefits & Work, the first bit i understood, about it being unlawful because of lack of consultation. Then it says because it's being rushed through or something it can be legistrated sooner like in May or June? Does this mean it can't be challenged in court like last time with the WCA under the tories, which they lost? It's all very confusing, on the one hand it's not legal, but on the other they don't care and will push it through, how the hell does that work, nobody is above the law, why aren't legal folk, charities, Ellen Clifford etc getting a case together now before it's too late!!
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God, I'm so sorry. Please keep in contact with this forum, there are people that care about you. People and organisations will fight this ever damn step. Please, please remember that a green paper is a govt wishlist - it is NOT the law. That won't happen for a while. There are legal steps the govt has to take for this to become law and it's not quick. Not even a majority govt can ram legislation throuh in a few months. There are debates, readings and votes in parliment - they can't skip this. No matter what.
Please, please keep messaging us, we're all here to support each other.
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this is what worries me . Apart from care homes and terminally ill patients at home how many are provided with professional carers ? Think how many wouldn’t qualify. But then it would mean hardly anyone getting carers and having to work. The local council would have to provide a lot more support and would not be able to .
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I know it's hard summerlove, but please don't give up or wave goodbye to what you are and rightly so entitled to.
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So will this be found unlawful
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I agree pinkrose very serious conditions your scared it's just come out remember this is the green paper people will see the horrendous affect its having we really do care you are me and I am you we have charities wonderful activists who are also on pip thousands voices no all hope is lost give yourself time to come down from the fear you been really really triggered your not alone ❤️
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But then there was a law change 2019 saying you can get support from family friends doesn't have to be a professional I think it's for out and about but still
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Just read that people saying it's not like a proper consultation not really giving disabled people opportunity to express themselves just what can we do to get people to talk to us something like that I wrote Just leave us alone said its a mass culling going to write every week
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You are right a
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There's always some disgusting vile ulterior motives behind all this kind of mass fear mongering.
I think they should all be sent to fight for the wars they so desperately want to perpetuate (for money)themselves, and leave disabled people's money, who they want to use to pay for it alone.
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We will. Be effected later down the line
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Oh OK thankyou very much for explaining Oh pls 🙏 may it be watered down put an end to this ongoing on slaughter this started October 2023 and it's been constant I hope your OK
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From what I read on Benefits & Work website it's not even legal due to the consultation thing again, I only understood some parts of it, but if it's true why aren't legal people and Ellen Clifford etc taking them back to court, if only to slow them down and show them we won't accept their ridiculous proposals?
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I will be mentioning it as well in my responses to the Green Paper.
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MP's had the same conversation in 2015! Full employment no less!
(House of Commons Library - briefing paper) 32 The aims of ten years of welfare reform (2010-2020)
Section 15 of the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 amended the Welfare Reform Act 2007 to remove provision for the payment of the WRAC, in both contributory and income-related ESA. Section16 of the 2016 Act made equivalent provision for Universal Credit. Removal of the WRAC was justified on the basis that it would improve incentives for people to prepare to enter the labour market. In his Summer Budget 2015 speech the Chancellor referred to the “perverse incentive” whereby ESA claimants in the WRAG received more money than claimants of Jobseeker’s Allowance “but get nothing like the help to find suitable employment.” The Chancellor noted that while the JSA caseload had fallen by 700,000 since 2010, over the same period the numbers on incapacity benefits including ESA had fallen by just 90,000, despite 61% of claimants in the WRAG saying they wanted to work. The Budget documents expand that: Increasing employment levels amongst people with disabilities and health conditions are a key part of the government’s aim to achieve full employment. The current system creates a financial incentive to claim sickness benefits over Jobseeker’s Allowance. From April 2017, new claimants of Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) who are placed in the Work-Related Activity Group will therefore receive the same rate as those claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance, alongside additional support to help them take steps back to work.
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