The Green Paper Discussion (the document link is here too!)

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  • evelyncourtney
    evelyncourtney Online Community Member Posts: 104 Empowering

    Thought this might be able to give some slight relief to anyone who’s concerned in case specific conditions get singled out — confirmation criteria will continue to be about how your condition affects you, not what your diagnosis is

    from the Guardian:

    Tighter rules for Pip won't exclude all people claiming as result of severe anxiety, says DWP minister Stephen Timms

    In his interview on Times Radio this morning, Stephen Timms, the social security and disability minister, said that the government’s decision to tighten the eligibility requirments for Pip would not exclude all people claiming as a result of severe anxiety.

    Asked if people with anxiety would no longer by able to claim Pip under the new rules, Timms replied:

    No, it depends what the effect of the condition is on people’s wellbeing, and the indicators are all published and set out.

    So if you have difficulties doing certain things, then you get points on the Pip assessment. And the number of points you get determine how much Pip you get.

  • rebel11
    rebel11 Online Community Member Posts: 1,688 Pioneering

    They just pressed a key on a computer to find out how many people scored '4 points' for a descriptor, the computer threw out XXX, XXX, number. They liked the number, so that is the 'cut off'.

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Online Community Member Posts: 256 Empowering

    I am just LCWRA for substantial risk. I don't claim PIP. I don't know where in the heck I stand. So worried.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,750 Championing

    Stephen Timms said on Good Morning Britain today that a new PIP assessment will start in November 2026. The link to the interview is on the previous page.

  • calflye
    calflye Online Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    I've been scared the past few days about this. I get PIP and LCWRA for Bipolar Disorder and now I'm scared I'm going to lose these two benefits. I don't understand how they can still try to go through with this despite the amount of backlash that they've been getting. Is there a point in writing to Liz Kendall about these issues? I worry that they just simply won't care. I mean, that's been shown based on their attitudes recently

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    Yes Charlie. Benefits and work have even gone as far to call it 'bogus'...and I agree with them.

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 977 Pioneering

    I think that just means having to have the 4 points somewhere. They seem to be saying they will look at the PIP assessment but there won’t be any changes until after all this other stuff is rolled out. So probably not till 2029 at the earliest

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I’m sure I read on the guardian that they may look at the form in the future but now it’s the same apart from us needing 4 points I’ve been looking for that on guardian but haven’t found it

  • sparrow77
    sparrow77 Online Community Member Posts: 63 Empowering
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    Yes that's right . Point 106 in green paper does say they are "not consulting on this measure "

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,750 Championing

    The Government says that “This change will be non-negotiable “We will implement this change via primary legislation. Further details will be published in the forthcoming White Paper. We are not consulting on this measure

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    No need to thank me but you are so welcome Gazmo. Xxxx

    Remember, no matter what happens, we are all in this together .

    And we will all face it together. Xxx

  • ella1992
    ella1992 Online Community Member Posts: 339 Empowering

    Hi all i get pip and work capability im guessing il be losing my work capability very soon I feel so stressed about this i understanding everybody else does aswell

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 170 Empowering

    Thanks zips, this is the only bit of relief I've had today.

    Thankyou so much. X

  • sparrow77
    sparrow77 Online Community Member Posts: 63 Empowering

    So does this mean nomatter what is said it done it will go through ?

  • alex25
    alex25 Online Community Member Posts: 21 Contributor

    From The Guardian/Resolution Foundation article

    A single person who would have previously qualified for Pip standard daily living and UC LCWRA will now not qualify for Pip daily living if they do not score at least four points on a single criterion of the Pip assessment, and from 2028 they will also not qualify for the UC LCWRA element when the Pip assessment replaces the work capability assessment to determine eligibility. This amounts to an annual loss of £9,600 per year in 2029-30.’

    I won’t go into the pressures I’ve had to endure on the private rental market. I will be on the street

  • Schildpad
    Schildpad Online Community Member Posts: 784 Empowering

    I just will not think about it . Honestly I do not know what it will happen to me. In esa and pip but it seems pip will be the first thing I might lose. Maybe even both . But I just don't know.. I don't think this government will last. Maybe new elections coming soon..… it seems this government betrayed its people from almost the beginning...

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 3,085 Championing

    @Vulcress yep, saw that interview last night. Total turnaround from at The Resolution Foundation. They're all too busy busy, at the trough. Didn't he say at one point no, I've got a mortgage. I'd have laughed if I hadn't choked.

  • SadOldPanda
    SadOldPanda Online Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering

    The irony of them doing this as a way to get more mental health claimants into work (and save money) when this has messed my mental health up more and pushed me even further away from ever being stable enough to work, plus I've had to have my med dose increased costing the NHS more money! I'd laugh if I wasn't feeling like I'm **** broken inside from all this.

    How many of us are are feeling like there is no hope and seriously considering ending it all?

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 1,295 Championing

    This is down to reeves disastrous budget, to fill her failing. Surely Echr should be able to help. They say about getting people into work, some fo work my daughter included. It for our independence. It's not out of work benefits. Saw on talk tv that some guest was saying that pip can be given by having it done online without face to face.

    I don't know how I managed, asd, dyslexia, fatigue, copd, joint hypermobility syndrome, i have ptsd from child abuse, rape etc and im having more tests done. Starmer is a disgrace , the front bench

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,750 Championing

    Governments usually try to push through policies that match their goals. In this case, their strong wording shows they’re serious about making it happen. However, for laws to pass, they still have to go through Parliament, where they will be debated and potentially changed. So, even if the government wants things their way, the process could slow them down or alter the outcome.

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