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  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 880 Trailblazing

    All this because reeves terrible budget in Oct. She has no idea how to manage it. I was watching a economist on talk, he said if she reversed the national insurance on business that would help a lot. I doubt if she will. So if echr said it was unlawful can it be stopped

  • Anniebeau
    Anniebeau Online Community Member Posts: 10 Listener

    I wish we could contact Michael Sheen and ask him to stick up for the disabled. I wouldn’t know how to contact him though and if he would even read a letter etc.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    I've been doing my bit emailing MP's etc but I'm afraid to say, there has been hardly any 'pushback' in parliament.

    Yes we've had a couple of MP's resign and merely a handful 'speak out' but this week has shown that most MP'S seem to be in agreement with the cuts, or even scared to 'go against them' ....this terrifies me because it points to these proposals being passed through parliament. And the disability charities haven't really 'fought back', their very 'lax' reactions have been all but buried in the media.

    BTW, not one MP has had the decency to even reply to my emails.

    The contempt most of them have for the sick and vulnerable is really starting to show.

    I've lost all hope of these proposals being 'watered down' or cancelled.

    Sadly I've resigned myself to the major possibility of it being a 'done deal'.

    Destitution here I come.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    And go through they will. It's disgraceful. But we don't have enough MP'S to fight our corner.

    And I must say Catherine, given how awful and dangerous these proposals are, the disability charities have really let us down this week.

    There has been NO PUSHBACK OF ANY NOTE FROM THE ORGANISATIONS THAT CLAIM TO BE FOR THE DISABLED. JUST A FEW VERY LACKLUSTRE STATEMENTS.

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    Spot on,

    What's triggered this her fiscal rules will fail totally, Now they are sending her team out

    saying "of course its not austerity". Its Austerity, they made a serious of promises that were not needed. Funny though the promise to make the mega wealthy pay has been broken no problem,

    Starmer can change his stance on issues in a matter of days.

    A book suggests its people like Mc Fadden are running the show

    and given how Starmer is performing I could well believe it.

    they seem to be under this impression 2 years time everything will be amazing

    and a 2nd term assured. If this years Elections go bad watch the collective meltdown

    they appear to have prepared nothing for Government whilst in opposition

    C&C should be the foundation of Labour, Common sense and Compassion

    its never weak to show compassion its never weak to speak from the heart

    and defend the people who need defending. But what we are seeing from Starmer

    is a feckless man who buckled when the right wing media piled pressure on him.

    I would go as far to say we might be seeing the end of the Labour party as we know it

    they have totally lost focus on what separates them from the Tories/Reform

  • Vulcress
    Vulcress Online Community Member Posts: 83 Empowering

    Its a limbo period.

    What appears to have happened is Kendall and Timms called a meeting with MP's to basically stop a rebellion later on, then they opened the floor to comments and basically every MP

    said they had been flooded with messages from mild to very abusive stating long term voters will never support them again, new MP's who barely won got angry saying they were not elected on a platform like this and the meeting then went even worse when one asked was the story true Reeves is planning on more welfare cuts this coming week, Both Ministers apparently refused to answer and that's when MP's shouted they would not vote in favour.

    Starmer seems confused, If the role of an MP is just to vote for whatever the leader wants

    it makes this form of governance a total waste of time, MP's are there to convey back to the Govt exactly what the people who voted for them are saying. I really am getting the vibe from Starmer he's acting like a President = vote against me I kick you out.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 258 Empowering

    Emails on their own aren't enough. Attending in person protests where possible is the next step forward (or helping them behind the scenes if you can't physically go). There's a day of action planned for Wednesday 26t by Crips Against Cuts.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 258 Empowering

    Trade unions refusing to stop supporting Labour are part of the problem. Just one of many reasons the British left are strategically and politically inept.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    I agree stellar..but due to my multiple disabilities I will not be able to attend in person,and this just makes me feel more worthless and helpless.

  • pinkrose
    pinkrose Online Community Member Posts: 160 Empowering

    Yup....starmer is a dictator.

  • zoomie
    zoomie Online Community Member Posts: 11 Connected

    I am a pensioner on a light touch review every 10 years. I get high rates PIP for both Mobility and Daily Care. I was given 4 points on three of the daily living descriptors and 3 points on one descriptor . The letter I received at the time of the award stated that they would get in touch with me in Nov 2026 to see if my needs were the same. Do I have to worry regarding Labour’s proposals? Thanks

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 112 Empowering

    The ones who would be hit the hardest are those who are only on LCWRA, as they could lose all their benefits all of a sudden and would have to face the dreadful hassles of condescending so-called work coaches at job centre. God forbid.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    @Vulcress my fear is that even if some Labour MPs rebel, it will be carried by Tory MPs voting for it. The Tories' rationale is they know Labour will not be re-elected when this is implemented, Tory voters will support their support of any dismantling of the welfare state, and the Tories' job of dismantling the welfare state will be half way done when they next come into power.

    It's a win/win for the Tories - keep their own voters onside, and have the job half-done by Labour.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    I can't see the Tories getting in anytime soon unless reform implodes. I can see reform/ lib dems swallowing most of their votes they hope to get back in the next election. Just about the only political good news is seeing them where they belong, as an irrelevance.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 204 Empowering

    @HollisMcBobbery Then, I can only assume people are expecting Reform UK to amend their views on welfare between now and next election.

    Their manifesto last year was, imo, even worse than the Labour proposal.

    Here's a copy of their 2024 manifesto pledge as posted on B&W:

    News

    Reform UK election manifesto: welfare benefits promises

     Published: 17 June 2024

    Reform UK has published its manifesto today.  It has less than half a page of text on benefits, under the heading “The Benefits System is Broken” and featuring a slogan of “In Britain, if you can work, you must work.”

    On PIP and the WCA, Reform says: 

    Face to Face, Not Remote Assessments for Benefits

    Personal Independence Payment and Work Capability Assessment should be face to face. We will require independent medical assessments to prove eligibility for payments. Those registered with severe disabilities or serious long-term illnesses would be exempt from regular checks.

    When benefits and work carried out a poll of readers two years ago on what sort of PIP assessment they would prefer, the results were:

    • Paper 59% 
    • Phone 20%
    • Face-to-face 20%
    • Video 1%

    So this is a move that would be unpopular with the majority of Benefits and Work readers

    The remainder of the text is devoted to raising the starting point for tax to £20,000 a year and an aim “Motivate up to 2 million People Back to Work”.

    Reform say that:

    “Reforms to benefit support and training will help people back into work. Particular focus on 16-34 year olds. Employment is critical to improving mental health. Tax relief for businesses that undertake apprenticeships.”

    The manifesto goes on to warn that:

    “All job seekers and those fit to work must find employment within 4 months or accept a job after 2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn.”

    You can download a copy of Reform UK’s manifesto from this link.

    Anyway, it's possible some people will be too focused on ensuring immigrants don't receive benefits to care if their own family/neighbours are also 'punished'. Btw, imo, that's the route MAGA took in the US, and look at them now …. all up in arms about their welfare/healthcare disappearing along with anything immigrants get (which is very little from what I understand)! 🙄

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 393 Pioneering

    I wish there were a miracle cure that could free me from all my disabilities, restore my independence, and allow me to return to work so I could leave the benefits system for good. No matter how hard I try to shake it off, the thought of being in this constant state of ‘asking for help just to survive and provide for my family is unbearable. I’m feeling really upset today… Maybe it’s the pain? I’m not sure.😢😢

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 43 Empowering

    can’t sleep again, mind racing thinking about how I’m going to survive on the streets. I don’t want to exist in a hostel with a single room, that’s probably the best I can hope for now. I know it’s a couple of years away but it will happen and I’ve got to live knowing it’s going to be like that. I really hope if I do go to sleep I don’t wake up.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 393 Pioneering

    @Martinp I’m really sorry you’re feeling this way, and I can hear how much pain you’re in and being unable to sleep peacefully . The government proposals are scary for everyone , and it’s hard to see a way forward. But please know you and me are  not alone. There are people out there like Scope fighting for better support and resources for people in situations like us. Please reach out to someone, even if it’s hard. Do you have someone you can turn to ?You matter, and there is help available.Take care of yourself, and don’t give up.
    Best wishes 

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor
    edited March 23

    fantastic read thanks for the info.

    Just to make it clear I'm no reform fan! Just love the tories being screwed.

    I'm fully in the I hate Reform, Tories and now Labour cohort of voters lol

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