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  • charlie72
    charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 130 Empowering
    edited March 22

    Keir Starmer has to make his mind up if he is either a saviour or an oppressor, but in my view he's certainly no saviour as he would like us all to beleive. I have written to various media outlets about these cuts, including The Guardian, The Mirror, The Times, also emailed Ellen Clifford asking her about potential legal actions.

    Iv'e emailed my local MP,and also Jeremy Corbyn, John Mcdonnell about these cuts to our benefits, I used Chatgpt to format each letter and email as it's free to use then just copied it into my emails etc. Apparently 2 million of us could be affected by these cuts, but in my view if we all refused to accept them, even if that meant threats of sanctions or losing benefits, how could they make us all destitute and homeless? There would be such a massive backlash from mp's and the media, giving this abhorrent government unwanted negative press.

    If we just sit here waiting for these changes to happen, and to allow this onslaught to our right to a decent way of living, they will carry on with future cuts, and so will other future governments, seeing us as an easy target to bully and balance the fiscal books. I know many of us have written to our mp's etc, but we mustn't give in and need to carry on emailing the media, mp's and others to listen to our opposition to these cuts.

    If anyone would like to email Ellen Clifford to ask her to oppose these cuts with legal challenges, or just to offer her your support, Iv'e included her email link below. Take care all x

    ellenclifford277@gmail.com

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 258 Empowering

    Keir Starmer made his mind up that's an oppressor long before he become PM. It goes right the way back to his time as Director of Public Prosecutions, alongside working to destroy the Labour left during the Corbyn era, right the through to lying to become Labour leader in 2020.

    Also don't use ChatGPT to write your letters. Not only do AI programs contributing to the climate crisis with every prompt, but placeholder/AI/templates will get filtered out as spam.

    Also writing to MPs is not enough. It never will be. People who can must take to the streets.

  • Mysteriouskitten
    Mysteriouskitten Online Community Member Posts: 26 Empowering

    Ellen Clifford is already on it.

    https://youtu.be/WVk7NljMM1w?si=yQEy2eoX8r-hitn5

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Oh yes I email him later got so many cases open if they say no more I do more going do another consultation x

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 141 Empowering

    Did anyone watch The Last Leg on Channel 4 last night? The presenters didn't hold back regarding the Government and the their proposals. ☺️

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 185 Pioneering

    Food for thought but it's an opinion piece I saw on MSN, case and point there are people on our side, people with legal knowledge. I knew that the Equalities Act 2010 plays a role.

    "The welfare reform plans announced by Liz Kendall have left benefit claimants and applicants reeling with what it could potentially mean for their pockets. But the planned changes could drastically shift the rights of countless Brits.

    Daniel McAfee, Head of Legal Operations at Lawhive, highlighted that the tightened eligibility for Personal Independence Payments will be the front line of this “legal battleground”. And that’s just to prove the new criteria itself is lawful.

    The lawyer advised people facing the brunt of these changes: “When the time comes, any individuals looking to make a claim in light of the DWP changes should keep meticulous records of all communications, assessments, and financial impacts. The key here is to be proactive and challenge any inconsistencies or unfair treatment from the outset."

    He explained: “There could be grounds for challenge if it can be proved that the new criteria fail to adequately reflect the complex and fluctuating nature of many disabilities, especially mental health conditions. Think about the challenges in quantifying mental health.

    “How do you objectively measure 'anxiety' or 'depression' in a way that aligns with rigid criteria? That's where the legal battleground will be.”

    The expert noted people’s rights under the Equality Act 2010 will come into play here. This act makes discrimination against disabled people illegal and he warned even if the new criteria seems neutral “there could be arguments for indirect discrimination” which is unlawful under the act and could lead to legal action.

    He warned: “This is where the 'can versus can't work' rhetoric falls apart. The legal protections here hinge on the government's duty of care and its obligations under the Equality Act and human rights law.

    “There needs to be clear exemptions and protections for those with the most severe disabilities. Any benefit reductions must be proportionate and justified. Otherwise, it could be argued that any reduction that results in a failure to meet basic needs is unlawful.”

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    Send them the Tellybubbies tune and change the names but I can't say what I'd change them to on here

  • Bigboblee50
    Bigboblee50 Online Community Member Posts: 32 Connected

    This is the big question,the tories proposed this exact same proposal whilst true it hit harder with definite freeze of pip it's exact same proposal,in the documents only it states as LCWRA becomes Universal Credit Health all existing claimants would be migrated over automatically but as such and so not entering via new system modelled upon the pip assessment they would be therefore required to engage more with jobcentre plus in return for financial support. The question here is are Labour copying that the point is are people assuming the scrapping of WCA the mention of pips remaining being used by new claimants means existing LCWRA we all declared suddenly fit for work? These are the questions campaigners seeking to answer. In short nobody yet knows frankly. I am as scared as you but as I was told try try stay calm these are just proposals right now they may be altered watered down or totally changed all that won't is scrapping WCA

  • calflye
    calflye Online Community Member Posts: 98 Empowering

    Watching it now and I'm loving it. Love The Last Leg but was tired yesterday. At least I can have a laugh watching it

  • evelyncourtney
    evelyncourtney Online Community Member Posts: 96 Empowering
    edited March 22

    If I wasn’t in Scotland, I would have gone to the protest in London on budget day. I did heavily consider it but I know I’m not in the right state… my paranoia is out of control right now and I can’t handle crowds. I nearly started crying in Tescos earlier because it was so busy and overstimulating 😅

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering
    edited March 22

    I was just repeating my own experience and didn't mean to upset anyone, quite the opposite 🙂

    I totally agree with you that they have no right to dictate what we spend our money on.

    I'm currently writing to my MP. I've signed the Scope petition and the invite to MPs to attend the meeting, but I'm also writing independently as his constituent. I'm writing on behalf of myself and others. Doubt it will do any good and his lackey will probably read it and file it away, but everything's worth a try.

    I'm going to put it aside for now as I'm feeling anxiety and that's not good for either Crohn's or my spinal fractures so I'll carry on with it tomorrow and will then do the Consultation responses.

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering

    Absolutely agree with you. Like you, I always worked and due to aggressive form of bone disease became disabled four year back now. Most mobility is gone and need help for personal care etc. (I also have Crohn's - which, with bad mobility doesn't work at all well!!! sorry, that's TMI).

    I don't get 4 on any descriptor but 2s and 3s over a range of activities. If I lose PIP and subsequently LCWRA I won't have enough to live on and the outcome of it is that I will die. No question about it. I'm in my 60s anyway but still way off State Pension so I guess I'm disposable. It's not the way I thought I'd go though.

  • carteroo5
    carteroo5 Online Community Member Posts: 18 Connected

    Quick question as I haven't been able to find an answer, What if you have 10 points on mobility, No points living....And get lcwra? If having no points on the living section, Would this mean lcwra would also stop?

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 146 Empowering
  • sparrow77
    sparrow77 Online Community Member Posts: 51 Empowering

    Sitting here thinking how after 4 emails to MP I have had no response (yes sadly my local MP is labour ) and have seen others have had no response so had a light bulb moment .... Maybe if we change the subject heading on our emails to "donation inside " or similar they will be more inclined to open them 😂

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 9,376 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I may not have had any replies from my MP, but all emails are read by their team, so I at least know that I've used my voice. 😊

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 4,790 Championing

    I just seen people are raging think she must have thought people would be agreeing far from it

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 43 Empowering

    she should of won the Oscar for best supporting role to a complete psychopath, she absolutely went so over the top delivering her speech, makes me cringe.

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,297 Championing

    do you with all honesty believe that mps actually read these emails you all send they may get a brief from a poor lacky that does and may send out a random reply but thats about it

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