Green Paper Discussion (from 24th March, 2025)

Yep the old Deserving/undeserving argument

I suspect that is government speak like when they say you would be better off on benefits while in work.

Oh, they will make plenty of money from this reform don't you worry about that. It will be in the 100s of billions over the course of the next few decades because they are reforming this for future claimants also not just the people who are on it now.

They will make so much money that they will have enough to pass around as toilet paper in their government parties. They will be laughing and enjoying going to concerts and holidays, eating in nice restaurants, going to events, dancing and partying, and making more and more money while we will be suffering and worrying everyday about money. We won't let it happen. They can not get away with it.

I think they mean those who currently do not receive/have not applied for PIP may meet a higher criteria (payment) than they currently receive via only LCWRA when they are forced to apply/be reviewed under the one-assessment process,

But, as I'm not a Tory of any shade (red or blue) I'm probably wrong.

However, you can bet your sweet booty the first person to whom this happens will receive wall-to-wall, 24/7 media coverage to allow the Red Tories to pretend their 'moral crusade' is justified.

My wife receives a 4pt award for preparing a meal so that's one consolation .…

But she only receives 2pts for mixing with other people and 2pts for making budgeting decisions when I believe they should have been 4pt awards.

At her next review (2027) can I contest these 2pt awards ?

I like many others haven't contested the 2pts because overall she was awarded enough pts for the higher care component of pip .

It's a belt and braces approach but the more 4pt categories she scores in the better as a safety buffer.

Thanks in advance

“Wolves in sheep's clothing comes to mind!”

Thanks @jul1aorways…However,with these lot-They’ve just been Wolves all along the way…. And have turned out to be Blood ..oh “Money Thirsty Merciless Vampires”

I went through five dla assessments all with doctors i might add, before I got indefinite. Then forced onto pip.. zero points. Like many seem to get, so went to tribunal. They watched my every move, sent me out while they went through my notes, this lady springs up next to us, starts chatting, now I'm not great to say the least in social situations, so my mum had a few words with her in general conversation, this is what she said... "This is my 13th tribunal , I'm not letting them away with anything ,look at all my evidence,see all those cameras, watching us like hawks they are. ! All this in A very loud voice. I swear when I thought about it later she was put there on purpose to see what way I'd react. If I'd engage etc. Best bit is,about 18 mths later a similar thing happened to a friend. Anyway got my pip back. For three years,Second time 2 points,another tribunal only paper based, 3yrs again, third time 4 points, did and MR, got it again onthat for four yrs, due a review very soon. I'd rather eat rusty nails. The stress is unreal. Esp when the assessor inthe first instance couldn't even look up from the computer and the other two phone assessments were a total farce too. Lies ,untruths ,made up stories,whatever you want to call them.... what willit be like now with this 4 points nonsense. Dreading beyond dread, as last assessment nearly ended me.

I hear you, @Catherine21 and you’re absolutely right!

It does feel outrageous that they seem to be getting away with it, but I genuinely believe they only will if we stay silent. That’s why I feel it’s so important we keep pushing back, especially through these live consultations. Even if people are struggling to respond to all the 20 questions, they should try to focus on the most relevant ones, like PIP and UC , Work , whichever affects them!

Although they recommend adding your views under each question in the link, I feel it may be easier to voice your concerns via email in a narrative style(own words!), save them bit by bit (within your energy levels), and email them to consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk once complete. It might not feel like much, but every voice adds so much weight in a democratic society. And if we don’t speak up in this live consultation, they’ll just say “nobody objected.” and could potentially have the upper hand.

If 16 million people stay quiet, thinking it’s somebody else’s or Charities businesses, it will only benefit the Liebour lot in this instance. I honestly don’t see any other way out of this. In my mind, I view it like a massive Individualised Mandatory Reconsideration request.

From what I’ve seen, this lot seem ready to push through anything, no matter how senseless or cruel…..even if it means fighting it legally. But I still have hope, especially when people like you & everyone here are speaking out. That does make a difference.

Best wishes, Catherine! Please do look after yourself. Nothing is over…There’s still so much hope! 🤗

@Danny123 Really pleased your mum is coming home tomorrow and wishing her well for her ongoing recovery 🙏 take good care of yourself too.

Wishes for your mum’s ongoing recovery . Take care @Danny123