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  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    If one of the solicitors launch a court case against the DWP before it gets passed in parliament will it be delayed while court action is taking place ?

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 38 Empowering

    good question … that's something i've been thinking of ….

    could it be like the Rwanda legislation which kept getting delayed

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,074 Championing

    Yes, court action could delay DWP benefit changes, especially if solicitors get an interim injunction to temporarily block the policy. Recent cases show courts stopping DWP reforms when they unfairly harm disabled claimants or bypass proper consultations.

    However, the DWP sometimes pushes changes through during legal battles, only to reverse them later if they lose. The delay would depend on how strong the legal challenge is and whether a judge agrees the changes would cause serious harm before a final ruling.

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 38 Empowering

    if they still push them through that would mean people who fall foul of the 4pt ruling would still be set to lose out

  • soldcb
    soldcb Online Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    This says everything to me about where Labour really are with these changes. If as they say they are only interested in peoples welfare and getting people back to work then why won’t they wait for the impact statements before making changes. He actually said they would still need to push on with changes and couldn’t wait, even though he seemingly acknowledged that impact statements were necessary.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,074 Championing

    If the DWP pushes through changes during legal challenges, claimants affected by the 4 point rule could indeed lose benefits temporarily. However, if courts later rule the policy unlawful, those denied PIP may be entitled to backdated payments or reinstatement of benefits.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    I agree what can we do next labour are wanting this so so bad

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    I've read this over does it mean they can't do anything about lwcra and pip ?

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    Also said people will change ther behaviour meaning with the treat of losing everything will make us work have no choice No it means we will lose everything as we can't work bonus for them think of all our properties they could give to working people win win

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    Has labour watered down wca changes??

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering

    This whole thing has come back to haunt starmer , it was him that took Tony Blairs government to court to win the right for illegals to claim benefits .

    Now too many are claiming so this is why they need to take it off us , imagine what we will look like to the rest of the world if these changes go through , with disabled losing their homes etc. The UK is a dump .

  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 719 Empowering

    Yes, there are no changes to the WCA except it will be scrapped in 2028

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 212 Empowering

    Has this just been changed or is the their original plan ?

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 142 Empowering

    I agree about these random petitions @noonebelieves

    My suggestion would be to only sign petitions that are promoted by DPOs, such as Scope, DPAC and Benefits and Work. They seem to promote credible petitions that generally do well from Change.org and Petitions : UK Government and Parliament.

    DPOs websites, newsletters and notifications all point the way to these petition links.

    For instance, I find it useful to follow DPOs on X as they will notify you on your smartphone, laptop etc. as soon as a petition appears on their website.

    They are the only ones that I give the links to here, on Scope Community, let's put it that way.

    For anyone who might be reading this, looking for a viable petition, the links are :

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/

    https://dpac.uk.net/

    When you find these DPOs on X just click Follow in the top right hand corner of their page and they will send you notifications, including links to petitions.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,074 Championing

    Hi Catherine, I’ve outlined my understanding below of how this is going to work based on the government’s announcements so far. If anything is incorrect, I’m sure another member will point it out, but this is how I’m understanding the new proposed rules.

    The government is scrapping the WCA and replacing it with a new system linked to PIP eligibility. If you're currently receiving LCWRA, your payments are protected for now, but future claimants will face stricter rules.

    Starting in 2026, new UC claimants will get a reduced "health element" (from £97 to £50 per week) unless they have severe lifelong conditions. Existing claimants will keep their current rate until 2029. By 2028, the WCA will be fully replaced by a PIP-style assessment that focuses on how disabilities affect daily life, not work capability.

    At the same time, PIP rules are tightening. After Nov 2026, you’ll need 4+ points in one activity (e.g., washing or dressing) and 8+ points total for the standard allowance, or 12+ points for Enhanced.

    This means some people who qualify now could lose PIP at future reassessment's if the new rules are in force when their renewal takes place. Mobility points are not affected, they stay the same.

    ESA and JSA are merging into Unemployment Insurance, a new time-limited benefit requiring job-seeking, but without work capability tests.

    The government wants to encourage people to find work, so if you're unable to find a job within the Unemployment Insurance period, your eligibility for the benefit could end. However, they haven't announced this yet, but I sincerely hope there will be options for extending support through other benefits or assistance, if you don’t secure employment within that time frame.

    I am translating all the above (again, just my own opinion), but the strategy here seems to be to make claimants so poor that finding a job becomes their only hope for survival, and possibly their next meal!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing
  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 627 Championing

    @jul1aorways

    Great tips, Juls 👏, thank you! I’ve taken them on board. Since I’m not on any social media at the moment, I’ll look into setting up an X account just for this purpose.

    Really appreciate the guidance and all the amazing work you do to support and empower me & our community. Hope you have a great day!

    Best Wishes! ✌️

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    Thankyou is there any possibility this can be challenged

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,271 Championing

    Ps DPAC have onlime zoom meeting tonight from 6.30pm I'm not sure how you join it's to talk about resistance against labour