https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1017207#Comment_1017207
I truly respect how strongly you feel about the past, and you are absolutely right. Understanding how we got here is crucial. The impact of those decisions should never be forgotten, and I am not dismissing the harm that was caused back then.
But I also believe the 2025 PIP reforms present an entirely new level of threat. They are far more severe, far-reaching, and destructive than anything we have faced before. This is not just policy, it is an outright attack on people’s lives and livelihoods.
History has its place. It sharpens our strategy and informs our understanding, but it cannot be the only place we stay. The fight ahead is immediate, and it demands our full attention.
Looking back will not protect us from what is coming. The 2025 proposals will gut financial support, strip away eligibility, and hit disabled people harder than any reform to date. If we do not act now, the consequences will be catastrophic.
To your question, “So, it is vital that we catch up with something we all missed back then, yes?” — perhaps. But only if it genuinely helps us win the fight in front of us. Because the truth is, much of what happened in 2011 has already been challenged, exposed, and tested in the courts. We do not need to keep reopening that wound to know the system was broken. We proved that.
What we face now is far worse. And if we spend too long looking over our shoulders, we risk missing the blow that is coming straight at us. This moment demands everything we have. The battle ahead will shape the future, not the one we already fought.
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Both of you are very intelligent we need to get our heads together use everyone's skills ellen clifford doing fund raising for ten grand even if we all put 5 pounds in we can reach that it's our only hope
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Still can't get my head around it being allowed thousand lose homes including me and lose carers where's hundreds of people meant to go ??if we're on lwcra we have three years hopefully and maybe it's been challenged by then
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I have a few questions
Will we be able to see the outcome from the feedback given to the green paper and individual responses by email?
Am I right in thinking the King has to sign this off to be law if so should I be writing to the king?
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I am trying to find hope today for these upcoming changes and I am not getting anywhere. Everyone tell me to just shut off and don't think about it.
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check the history books and you will find your answer
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Yes. The DWP's "Connect to Work" program does not require new primary or secondary legislation. The program is being delivered through existing authority of the Secretary of State, which has the legal power to issue grants or fund initiatives under section 2 of the Employment and Training Act 1973.
"Connect to Work" falls under the DWP's existing responsibilities and operational framework, and thus doesn't need any additional law to be rolled out.
Connect to Work is OK, as it's based upon voluntary engagement.
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I will definetely lose my home if this goes ahead and I will be starving on the streets
I know this would happen to so many of us.
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I wonder how Labour will do in the local elections in May?? Not very well I hope.
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No, the WCA stays the same until it is scrapped in 2028
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I know just spoke to my doctor he's amazing he's saying don't read articles or news it's impossible I was just goggling are there any legal challenges against pip reforms keep wording it diffrent to see if get different answers obviously not this is the highest form of psychology torment unbelievably cruel they know the effect its having and we are apart of a very very inhumane system already w
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OOh OK like the last part so overwhelming
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And it's for those reasons it shouldn't happen ellen clifford doing fund raising maybe to take them on ? I'd have to rent a room even though I'm not allowed to what choice anyway I really can't see thousands on streets I believe something will happen on the legal side as much as labour wants this it's goes against everything The Equality Act but the way they done all this is sick and very sinister but remember there is thousands on pip so that means thousands will fight against this maybe alot going on in background
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Yes, but for how long will it remain voluntary? I am worried that all benefits will soon come with mandatory engagement with work coaches attached.
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Someone quoted it a few posts up.
Basically it says for fit and healthy a massive clamp down, but for those on health related benefits the only change would be all assessments are face to face and increased intensity. Nothing about descriptors, eligibility changes.
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Jolly good question. For how long?
That's exactly my worry, as they've said in their damn Green paper that they're consulting on whether to make what they call "participation in conversation with work coaches" (engagement with work coaches) for ill and disabled people a requirement for benefits entitlement.
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I was thinking the same
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How will that effect them I'm not clued up on all of this
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Its just so worrying all this being kept in limbo and naturally assuming the worse.
Fear of the unknown is making me feel extremely despondent.
I try to keep myself busy and focus on other things but yesterday and today I have been stuck home alone because the weather has been horrendous, cold rain and wind and these stupid reforms are playing heavily on my mind.
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PasserbyPosts: 145 Empowering2:30PMYes. The DWP's "Connect to Work" program does not require new primary or secondary legislation. The program is being delivered through existing authority of the Secretary of State, which has the legal power to issue grants or fund initiatives under section 2 of the Employment and Training Act 1973."Connect to Work" falls under the DWP's existing responsibilities and operational framework, and thus doesn't need any additional law to be rolled out.Connect to Work is OK, as it's based upon voluntary engagementThe original Pathways to Work was launched in 2008. Then Work Programme. Work Choice and more. Welfare-to-Work ideology since Invalidity Benefit was discontinued continues to this day.
The schemes are voluntary until JCP decides to refer the 'customer' on a mandatory basis. I know because it happened to me and more than once. DWP is a law unto itself.
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