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@Catherine21 thanks so because it's before Nov26 it's not like a fresh assessment they look at the same paper I got my pip award.
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that's not taking into consideration the face to face assessments where they'll be looking to score people down from 4pts descriptors
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@charlie72 ok thanks, I was denied pip but got on mandatory reconsideration so wonder if this will help and also as @Catherine21 said it will be before Nov26 so not like a fresh claim. Thanks for the heads up on not having to do a face to face, appreciate that, apologies for being all me me I'm just spending days in total panic
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Almost 9 out of 10 (or 87%) would fail the new test for standard rate.
"Labour are hiding the virtual abolition of the standard rate in PIP behind a seemingly small change to the scoring system."
This will also lead to the current over 2 million people on LCWRA to lose their award.
Abolition of being on benefits is developing! This is alarming!
You've got to click this link.
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/almost-nine-out-of-ten-standard-rate-pip-awards-fail-new-test
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I understand the point you're trying to make, and I can see the passion behind it. For us to include these points in our discussions and advocacy for the 2025 benefit reforms, we would need to back them up with more concrete details and evidence. Without this, it would be difficult to present a solid argument to those making the decisions. I hope you understand that this isn't about dismissing your viewpoint, but about ensuring we have the right foundation for our advocacy. I am not fighting against you; I am fighting alongside all our members to make sure these reforms never happen or are so watered down that they do not harm those who depend on these benefits.
First, the suggestion that IDS created the ESA migration rules is not accurate. ESA was introduced in 2008 under a Labour government, with James Purnell as the minister in charge. While IDS played a major role in welfare changes from 2010 onwards, he did not personally create ESA or its original rules. If there is evidence that he directly authored the migration criteria, please share it.
Second, saying IDS has worked closely with the DWP since 2004 is misleading. In 2004, he founded the Centre for Social Justice, which is an independent think tank, not a government department. His official work with the DWP began in 2010 when he became Secretary of State. If there is formal evidence of collaboration with the DWP before then, please provide it.
There is also a mix-up in names. The independent WCA reviews were conducted by Professor Malcolm Harrington, not Patrick Harrington, who is a political activist with no involvement in ESA reform. If you have proof to the contrary, I would be interested to see it.
The claim that Professor Malcolm Harrington found "no causal link" between ESA and suicides needs some context. While no official link was identified, he later acknowledged that some evidence wasn’t made available during his reviews. This is a valid concern, but without knowing exactly what evidence was withheld or how it could have influenced his findings, it’s difficult to assess the full impact. If you have more detail on this, it would be helpful.
The suggestion that changes to ESA in 2011 were "snuck through" also requires clarification. What exactly was changed, and which scrutiny process was bypassed? Evidence would help make this claim more credible.
As for the Oxford comma, while punctuation can sometimes matter in law, there is no clear evidence that its omission had significant consequences for ESA. If it did, please show where and how.
Lastly, the claim that a welfare rights officer did not understand or believe the issue. Not knowing something is not the same as disbelieving it. If their disagreement was based on misinformation rather than outright dismissal, that is an important distinction.
We might see things in different ways, but we all want the same thing: a fairer future for disabled people. Every viewpoint adds something valuable, and we’re strongest when we work together.
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Ok, I think you misunderstood the point I was making. Not that the issues of the past are not issues, but that we're in a situation whereby we have limited if any 'safe' options as disabled people. I didn't say you were wrong, I lived through those years as well - but at the same time, what is going on RIGHT NOW within the Tories, Reform, and Labour should not be overlooked.
The ministers who brought in those policies are no longer in power, even if the policies still exist. I'll repeat again, as disabled people we have limited if any 'safe' options politically. That means that RIGHT NOW the only option we have at all is the Libs or Greens, whatever they may have said or done in the past and however those policies then continue to affect us.I'd appreciate not being selectively quoted, especially if it's to misrepresent what I'm actually trying to get across, which is not a denial of existing/ongoing dangerous policies but that if we're always looking back at those we will stumble into worse ahead.
Also, at no point did anyone say you were making anything up.
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Same as me put my form in July 2024 pip ended March 25th 2025 I got paperbased two weeks before my old award ended I got rage filling it in real rage
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I don't know they must be
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indeed
The lost of the health element will be another 5bn saving a year.
So that’s 10bn saving a year without counting carers allowance
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Poppy hasn’t (Vanished ) she is unwell I also think you have been rude to @MW123
I totally get why everyone is on edge I’m also very worried about the uncertainty ahead but there is certainly no need to get upset with each other.
I hope everyone is doing as well as can be in the circumstances ❤️
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Not only is medical evidence important, but also it's even more important than the phone or face to face assessment. To substantiate this, unlike the WCA, in almost all cases in PIP, assessors contact claimant's GP and other medical practitioners for written medical evidence and support. Without medical evidence it's an outright fail, even if one is bedbound.
It has been reported that Poppy has lately been unwell.
We can't discredit her only on this, which I believe you've misunderstood her. We've to recognise that she relentlessly provided people with free of charge advice in countless cases.
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I'll come back to you about IDS. Harrington, yes, muddled there.
"The suggestion that changes to ESA in 2011 were "snuck through" also requires clarification.
What exactly was changed, and which scrutiny process was bypassed?"- Read those amendments then ask me again if you haven't found the glaring alteration to ESA qualifying criteria! That is the evidence!
"As for the Oxford comma, while punctuation can sometimes matter in law, there is no clear evidence that its omission had significant consequences for ESA.
If it did, please show where and how."2. You first need to understand Part 1. I can't force you to read anything but there's no point in repeating myself if you won't even do that.
You say the Oxford comma "can sometimes matter in law" ?
I'm saying it did AND does matter in this case.
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Hi @onebigvoice,
Thanks so much for all your recent posts.Your fire, your honesty, your refusal to stay silent-it’s exactly what we need to move forward . What you said isn’t controversial at all. It’s truth. It’s lived experience. And it strengthens this collective voice, not weakens it.
You’ve exposed how the system was designed not to support, but to strip people of dignity-especially when it merges healthcare with financial assessments. And you’re right: we could fill a thousand pages with the damage that’s been done through systemic failure, mismanagement, and indifference.
But right now, we’re staring down a Green Paper where the government thinks they’ve silenced our voices so they can push this cruel plan through without people resistance….. In short, they’ve laid out a vague and non-inclusive blueprint, with the sole intent of slashing £4.5 billion from disabled and vulnerable people’s rightful benefits under the guise of “reform.” This proposal, if passed, will devastate lives. We know it. You’ve seen it. We all feel it.
They’re counting on our silence….or worse, misleading us into appearing to agree with their cruel proposals. But I so strongly feel we can turn that around. As I’ve said in my recent posts, the DWP consultation email inbox is our chance to make our voices strategically heard -and to flood them with real, united opposition to these ruthless benefit cuts. It also gives us real hope -a chance for us to directly scrutinise the government’s proposals in a way that cannot be ignored. ✌️
Real voices. Real stories. Real resistance.
As I mentioned recently in this Green Paper thread-this is the fight of our lives. It’s not just about opposing a proposal or consultation; it’s about survival. Poverty, starvation, even death-these aren’t exaggerations, they’re the stakes. We owe it to ourselves, our families,our children and the future not to stay silent.
So my friend-let’s take your fire and all our collective frustration-and channel it into strategic opposition through those emails to the DWP consultation inbox. And yes, we continue campaigning, protesting, petitioning to double the pressure -but I strongly feel sending that email is a direct hit to a system that thought we’d stay quiet.
The deadline is 30 June. We cannot let it pass.
We move forward together. Past pain becomes fuel. We echo with “ONE BIG VOICE” (by the way, I love your username❤️-so fitting for these times).
With respect and solidarity✊
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I think every PIP claim is individual which is one of the issues of blanket advice.
I've seen a lot of advice on here given just generally over PIP claims and tribunals, such as "don't address what the DWP said that was incorrect" and you "don't need medical evidence"…but those two things ultimately won me my case at tribunal, because I had extensive evidence the DWP had basically ignored, and my breakdown of all the places they'd made mistakes helped to focus the judge and panel on the real issues of my claim.But that was my case in my area in 2018. I feel like I can't assume that everyone else's case would be the same as mine. And ultimately, the person giving the points is the decision assessor/MR assessor/Tribunal. Not a person on a SCOPE forum. At the end of the day it always comes down to how well you convey your needs and (mostly) how much they listen/understand/believe those issues exist.
I have four points in preparing food because I can't cook, and it is actually dangerous for me to use the oven unsupervised because of my executive function. In my tribunal one of the panel basically insulted my parents for not teaching me to cook and implied I was lazy and a liar, and I was awarded only 2 points for food prep. Three years later, I got the 4 points at my PIP review without having to go through any appeal process.
This shows how arbitrary it is, based on the same person and the same evidence, but different people making the decisions. And this is probably where we're going to see mass chaos when reassessments begin for people who are potentially going to lose everything.
I'll also add I have zero points in several daily living categories. That fact alone makes me feel guilty because my 4 points in food prep means I still qualify, while those with 2 or 3 points in nearly everything will not. This, too, is arbitrary, and shows how little disability is understood.0 -
What is the email address for the consultation please? Many thanks.
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Lou, I've deleted my comments though they remain further down of course.
Yes, we are all on the same side. Thank you for your measured response to my little outburst.
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Thanks, @charlie72.
Please also refer to my recent posts on how we could strategically structure our emails with our own personal experiences (feel free to improvise — I just wanted to add a quick suggestion on what I thought might be useful as we’re running out of time and many of us were/are starting to lose hope).
Here’s the consultation email:
Consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk.
We cannot be silenced.Disabled voices matter !
In solidarity ✊
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Yes…..Absolutely, the impact on carers , especially with vulnerable people potentially becoming ineligible for PIP(due to the stricter criteria), is definitely something to include. There are also several other repercussions that I might not have listed in-depth , as this was just a strategy I quickly drafted based on how I’m structuring my own email. Feel free to adapt it to your personal experience as you see fit.
The key thing is that we target all these concerns and stand up against these benefit cuts by sending this strategic email by June
Our voices carry immense strength.
In solidarity ✊
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It seems there may be some misunderstanding regarding my request. It is not my responsibility to verify the claims you've made. If you are confident in their accuracy, could you please provide the specific sources, legal references, or official documents that support them? Without clear evidence, these claims cannot be treated as established fact.
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Oh I’m certainly not here to offend you I haven’t been posting much over the past couple of months but I read posts daily.
I don’t imagine your intention is to be rude but it’s certainly coming across as rude at times.So good luck on your journey and i will say no more
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