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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,732 Championing

    PIP 4-point rule…

    What I'm confused about is why, since I've joined the forum, p*ppy has advised members that supporting medical evidence wasn't necessary for a PIP application or renewal. It was and is. Members are now reporting scores of 2 across various descriptors and not many 4's.

    Was she misled by a source, I can't help but wonder? She vanished suddenly from the forum. I am suspicious by nature but everything the DWP has done to date is dodgy. It is a ginormous department and our safety net has been dismantled incrementally under Iain Duncan Smith's long reign in Parliament.

    With the advent of AI and move to digital Tribunal appeals, we need to act quickly. Getting those responsible arrested is the best suggestion so far.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 157 Empowering

    I don't think Labour are going to do well at the local elections. A lot of X users are asking people not to vote for them.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,732 Championing
    edited April 16

    Iain Duncan Smith introduced ESA in 2008 then 'modified' the qualifying criteria in 2011. PIP and UC were introduced by his 2012 Welfare Reform Act.

    Out of the blue, in 2015, he spotted "a fundamental flaw" in the ESA regulations which necessitated yet more reform. Health assessments and reassessments are now conducted under 2016 rules minus a key substantial risk provision. ESA was rinsed by an omission of the all-important Oxford Comma! We were conned.

    His 2012 reforms were corrupt. We need to understand the problem to find a solution.

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 16,736 Championing
    edited April 16

    @WhatThe - neither poppy nor I were 'misled' by a source, namely a Welfare Rights Officer that hasn't lost a single first tier tribunal in the last decade (so he didn't need to take any to an upper tribunal); we both learnt from him (& afterwards calcotti).

    He was one for always being factual & giving statistics whenever possible, including that just over 50% of PIP claims were successful with no medical evidence given whatsoever. He found that a claimants own detailed anecdotal evidence was far more important than any medical evidence.

    It's perfectly possible to be awarded the daily living component of PIP at either rate just scoring between 1 & 3 points for those descriptors. So how poppy's (& others) advice can be wrong I fail to see, & don't link it to her 'vanishing suddenly' from the forum.

    So, I beg to differ with you, & also feel we should stick to looking at this Green Paper. I see you dodged @MW123 's question, i.e. ''What strategies from past mistakes are you finding most effective in your own advocacy efforts?'' But then you usually don't answer questions tho others try to answer yours (as both poppy & I have tried to do so in the past too), & instead you have been discourteous to MW123.

    Perhaps you ''need to understand the problem (of this proposed additional criteria of 4 points being needed in at least one daily living descriptor & the impact it will have on many PIP & other claimants) to find a solution!''

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 616 Trailblazing

    @Catherine21

    They mentioned to email them if your MP wasn’t on the list. I’ve sent several emails, but I’ve never received a response from DPAC.

  • noonebelieves
    noonebelieves Online Community Member Posts: 616 Trailblazing

    @Catherine21,

    I’m really sorry to hear you haven’t received your ESA payment. They make life so difficult for us, don’t they? I hope it gets sorted soon. It might &be worth checking if there are any outstanding To-Do’s on your UC journal. Take care.

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 889 Pioneering

    While my comments are contrevertial, I am not afraid to be heard, and heard I will.

    Because I am an activist in many other areas, I now find that where I was able to seperate things like the fight for the NHS and better working conditions, better, training at no cost to the Doctors and Nurses, (and when I say this I mean anyone taking or thinking of taking upp a career in the NHS) (Or care sector.) because even on this one point alone I could write enough to fill this forum.

    Who do disabled people depend on to get help for their disability/s? It is the government that decided to join the financial aspect of assessments by the NHS for MEDICAL TREATMENT with the financial aspect of FINANCES as to what we are ENTITLED TO, and what we will actually get AFTER ANOTHER ASSESSMENT BY PEOPLE HIRED BY THE DWP TO GET US BACK TO WORK ORR REDUCE, OR REMOVE BENEFITS, because we have been left with no support from a system they created.

    ADD to this people on long term sick, people who have suffered an injury or accident that has altered there normal way of working, this could be at one end the need for an amputation or the loss of sight, to after affects of the Pandemic.

    The idea of the "BENEFITS SYSTEM" IS TO support, THOSE THAT NEED SUPPORT. It is not about sending money to foreign aid, or saving one steel plant and not making the effort to save Port Talbot, even if the reports say that the "new" electric Arc furnace may be completed by 2026?

    Let me tell you a few home truths that you don't see: The plans for the new Electric Arc furnace have not been approved. They have not even put a spade in the ground yet because the government legislation has not told them how big it can be?

    There has only been a rough draft of costing and man power needed to run the "new" Furnace, but in the mean time they have closed the Coke ovens, closed all blast furnace production, and opened another blast furnace in Poland along side the FOUR THEY ALREAD HAVE MAKING FIVE IN TOTAL that could not product the same quality or the same tonnage as NUMBER FOUR ON A TICK OVER, since this was built 1/4 BIGGER WHEN IT WAS DONE IN 2012, and all ancillary machinery including extraction, turbines, fuel efficencies were demolished and replaced with STATE OF THE ARC EQUIPMENT. i KNOW BECAUSE i WAS 1 OF THE 8 ENGINEERS ON SITE. i WORKED WITH HEALTH AND SAFETY and you won't see my name on the accident sheets or records kept during the 3 months I was their, because it was ZERO. No recorded accidents after rewriting the Health and Safety, risk assessments and Method Statements and placing a ring around the plant that every person on site had to be accounted for.

    My point, there is nothing you cannot achieve if you sit down and look at the problem and discuss alternatives. Yes in some cases it may need cuts, but this would be because the service being provided DO NOT ADHERE TO THE RISK ASSESSMENTS OR METHOD STATEMENTS.

    In our case it is being assessed by a Company/s HIRED by the DWP and PIP to assess financial needs of the PERSON CLAIMING THE BENEFIT. Not only disability or sickness benefits BUT ALL BENEFITS.

    We are now being grouped into people (Able bodied) who the system has left unsupported for many years, and their answer to that was to close 800 JOB CENTERS? So who, now, takes the hit for their incompetence? WE DO, because we are easy targets.

    The pandemic changed alot of rules, not in our favour, but the government had to be seen to do something. Where are the Nightingale Hospitals now that could have been used by the NHS to geet people out of hospital and into care but not at the same level allowing other people to be treated?

    Where was the call for Doctors and Nurses and Care workers to "do their thing" unsupported by the government by being unable to supply the correct PPE WHEN IT WAS NEEDED. Rules were changed to relax the service industry, but now it seems that its time for us to pay the price. Enter Claire Rayner. How do you as an accountant change the legislation for care and treatment for Disabled and long term sick by having an assessment by hired guns?

    Why didn't you use this method in the Pandemic?

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 138 Empowering

    Almost 200 Labour MPs have a majority smaller than the number of recipients of personal independent payments in their constituencies!! 🤗

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/14/electoral-wake-up-call-dozens-of-labour-mps-risk-losing-majorities-over-welfare-cuts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  • judie
    judie Online Community Member Posts: 307 Empowering

    @WhatThe I expect Poppy walked away from the forum due to the unfounded criticism she faced from clueless people. She hasn't disappeared, she's stepped back from a thankless task.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    What does this mean?I read it couldn't understand

  • egister
    egister Posts: 887 Empowering
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    I did read they can make pip changes law now if they choose and will still be implemented fir November 2026

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    Oh OK no it was me I'm getting so confused it's on 22nd I get it forgetting days weeks I spent all money on god knows what my mental health taking battering thankyou how are you

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    I've emailed him 20 times he's to intreasted taking pictures for money given abroad for a 20 million pounds for an airport!!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    Oh no how are you now ? I'm same constant tingle in hand lips forgetting days I get money bumping into things shaking it's cruel it's like under attack every minute feel for you even my teeth chattering the other day unforgivable really unforgivable

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,269 Championing

    You too thankyou