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Thanks for that, Iv'e emailed my responses, and did as you suggested with my own personal touch and how it will affect me etc. The more people we can get to email the bogus consultation, the better as they then can't just say we agreed with them or opposed them.
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Great, @charlie72 .thank you! 🙏🏽
Please do keep spreading the message to fellow disabled Scope members and beyond-let’s encourage everyone to email the consultation inbox and make it clear: our voices will not be silenced or sidelined. Disabled voices matter.With respect and solidarity ✊
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"It seems there may be some misunderstanding regarding my request. It is not my responsibility to verify the claims you've made. If you are confident in their accuracy, could you please provide the specific sources, legal references, or official documents that support them? Without clear evidence, these claims cannot be treated as established fact."
I'm not responsible for DWP's actions or lies nor can I explain 15 years of treachery in 15 minutes. If you wish to make a difference then read what I've suggested.
Otherwise, as I've said twice already, please stop telling me I am wrong when you don't (yet) know what I'm talking about. My comprehension is acute but typing and explaining myself is exhausting. Not understood/not believed is the same to me.
I think the reviewer was Paul Litchfield and Harrington was the government's medical advisor but these are minor points and make no difference to my claims. Read DNS reports for the facts about those WCA reviews. Or don't.
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Hi all. Please can we keep this civil. I'm sure we all have a difference of opinions from time to time, and it's really great people are discussing this. Also appreciate how frustrating this situation is, but please remember we're on the same team. ☺️
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I'm finally getting ot so wca protected us where as pip we will be classed as disabled workers obviously that is not good
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Yes be review not under 4 point rule hopefully that don't come in action but if it does its November 26th so really look at it as a good thing if you get for few years mines till 2030 November 26th 2026 4 point rule comes In from what I'm reading
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It's hard when you know what's been happening and you slowly see it all joining together like a jigsaw I understand what your saying now almost like we will be left as disabled workers no as many rights I didn't relize how important the wca was and how much protection it gave us I understand your frustration how do you think we can move forward what's the next step we have emailed written what else can we do all heads together is better than none seriously I'm clueless but I will do whatever it takes as time is running out we all don't want to end up in some dystopian world
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Received my review form today , called MacMillan and they are going to guide me through it tomorrow .
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Hi @Topcat71,
I hear you-and you’re not alone. There’s still hope, and your voice can make a difference. I encourage you to respond strategically to the consultation email by end of June.Please take a moment to read all the recent posts here on this green paper thread .
We’re in this together.
We will not be silenced. Disabled voices matter.
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Thanks I thought that,saw my Dr today she writing me a letter to ask for paper assessment if needed too.disgrace if they use health care so called professional over a Dr.
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Journal of Urban Economics
Volume 141, May 2024, 103439
Austerity, welfare cuts and hate crime: Evidence from the UK's age of austerityWelfare reforms were gradually phased in starting with changes to Incapacity Benefit from October 2010, followed by changes to Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent deductions and tax credits in April 2011, Child benefit in January 2013 and finally five further changes from April 2013.
All reforms other than the changes to Child Benefit target low-income households, benefit recipients or otherwise disadvantaged individuals such as the disabled.
As a further robustness check we also construct a simple time-varying measure for the total loss in welfare cuts experienced in each CSP. The resulting variable equals 0 until 2009/10, equals the average loss due to Incapacity Benefit changes in 2010/11, the sum of losses due to changes to Incapacity Benefit, Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent Deduction and Tax Credits in 2011/12, the sum of losses due to changes to Incapacity Benefit, Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent Deduction, Tax Credits and Child Benefit in 2012/13 and the full amount of losses in 2013/14 and 2014/15.
Appendix A
Incapacity benefits
The transition from Incapacity Benefits to Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) was begun by Labour in late 2008, with a new eligibility test, the Work Capability Assessment (Adams et al., 2011).
When the coalition government came to power, they decided to reassess the majority of the remaining Incapacity Benefit recipients, aiming to “help thousands of people move from benefits and back into work if they are capable while giving unconditional support to those who need it” (Department for Work and Pensions and Hoban, 2012).
People who were found capable of work were invited to claim Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA) (Job Centre Plus and Department for Work and Pensions, 2013), and in practice the reform led to “appeals, large backlogs, and the eventual effective collapse of the assessment system” and has been described as “the biggest single social policy failure of the last 15 years” (Portes, 2015).
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Benefits and Work has obtained details of the conditions which have the highest number of awards with no 4-point or higher descriptors.
The list, provided under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that almost eight out of ten awards where back pain is the primary disabling condition are at risk under the proposed 4-point or higher rule
This is closely followed by arthritis, where more than three quarters of awards are threatened.
The conditions least likely to lose out are learning disabilities, where only 3% are at risk and autistic spectrum disorders at 6%
These figures only cover working age claimants. There is a lack of clarity from the DWP about what will happen to pension age claimants from November 2026.
Rank
Health condition category
Volume of PIP Claimants in receipt of Daily Living component
Claimants awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities
Volume in each condition group
Proportion in each condition group
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Back pain
194,000
154,000
79%
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Arthritis
279,000
214,000
77%
3
Other Regional
Musculoskeletal Diseases
136,000
97,000
71%
4
Chronic pain syndromes
173,000
118,000
68%
5
Cardiovascular diseases
61,000
38,000
62%
6
Respiratory diseases
83,000
45,000
55%
7
Anxiety and depression
587,000
282,000
48%
8
Multiple sclerosis and neuropathic diseases
80,000
38,000
48%
9
All other conditions
272,000
126,000
46%
10
Other neurological diseases
97,000
35,000
36%
11
Cerebrovascular disease
56,000
19,000
34%
12
Cancer
70,000
23,000
33%
13
Epilepsy
36,000
11,000
30%
14
Other psychiatric disorders
90,000
25,000
28%
15
Cerebral Palsy and
Neurological Muscular
Diseases
47,00
11,000
24%
16
Psychotic disorders
112,000
26,000
23%
17
ADHD/ADD
75,000
14,000
19%
18
Autistic spectrum disorders
206,000
13,000
6%
19
Learning disabilities
188,000
7,000
3%
Notes
Health condition category is based on primary health condition as recorded on the PIP Computer System at time of latest assessment. Many claimants have multiple health conditions but only primary condition is available for analysis.
Only the 18 disabling condition groups which make up the highest proportions of the PIP caseload are displayed in this table.
Other disabling condition groups which cover smaller proportions of the PIP caseload are covered in the "Other Conditions" category. This includes:
- Visual Diseases
- Other General Musculoskeletal Diseases
- Endocrine Diseases
- Hearing Disorders
- Gastrointestinal Diseases
- Genitourinary Diseases
- Skin Diseases
- Autoimmune Diseases (Connective Tissue Disorders)
- Infectious Diseases
- Diseases of the Liver, Gallbladder or Biliary Tract
- Haematological Diseases
- Metabolic Diseases
- Multisystem and Extremes of Age
- Diseases of the Immune System
Anxiety and Depression includes the following conditions recorded in the PIP Stat Xplore data:
- Anxiety disorders - Other / type not known
- Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
- Stress reaction disorders - Other / type not known
- Generalised anxiety disorder
- Phobia - Specific
- Phobia - Social
- Agoraphobia
- Panic disorder
- Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
- Anxiety and depressive disorders - mixed
- Conversion disorder (hysteria)
- Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)
- Dissociative disorders - Other / type not known
- Somatoform disorders - Other / type not known
- Depressive disorder
- Bipolar affective disorder (Hypomania / Mania)
- Mood disorders - Other / type not known
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The trouble appears when the WCA is scrapped in 2028 and everyone is assessed via the new assessment which will be based on the PIP assessment. What is not known yet is what will happen when someone who is on LCWRA and also receives PIP fails their LCWRA assessment and their PIP is still running. Will their PIP be revoked, as the claimant has failed their PIP assessment for LCWRA, which will be by then called "Health element" I think.!
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I am going to keep telling myself, that alot can happen between now and 2028. A week is a long time in politics!
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Something has got to happen, as this damn 4 point scoring system is paving the way for sickness and disability benefits abolition. Latest data shows that 9 out of 10 will fail the 4 point based PIP assessment.
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"A week is a long time in politics!"
A week in a state of uncertainty is even longer and much more stressful.
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Call me over optimistic, but I can't imagine they would cancel the sickness benefits of 9 out of 10 claimants. I hope i'm Proved right, I really do!
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Labour will be voted out by 2029 hopefully before , but it seems they are set on punishing us for being disabled , many with hidden disabilities , they just seem cruel and when they will be remembered for this cruelty .
None of the proposed changes make sense , taking away money from disabled will only cause the economy to drop further , this government are clowns , controlled by a source and doing what they are told . I know what I believe but it isn't for here .
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As a quick reply to the many comments above and the "heated debate" as that is what it is?
I welcome comments from everyone here, and like some needed to also step away from the forum and another forum I was on for MANY YEARS, because in reflecting my "opinion" and with mental issues to contend with, this forum and others were the only way of staying "sane."
If you read comments here and you agree or "debate to disagree" then that's O,K. We/I welcome comments since I don't profess to know everything. (even though I think I do) as everyone, and including those still reading this HAS A SKILL. iTS NOT SOMEONE HERE AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE HERE, it someone here asking for help on something that affectes them personally, or as most forget, affect someone they know or love, possibly a parent or sibling affected by the "proposed changes"
YES, Rachael Reeves can say what she likes but do you seriously belive that we are going to stand by and allow the Human Rights Act, the Social Security Act, the NEW Social Care Act, (Last year) the way in which we are being assessed for Benefits and their entitlement, or the way or to whom I pay my national Insurance for be changed because someone can't run a system which affects us all?
You are all learning, and even me, after only being disabled for about 30 years am still evolving. We all have to. A system that does not keep up with the here and now is a dead duck. I am not a dead duck or target for the chancellor becaues she and others before have closed 800 Job Centers to save money in "admin costings" and then say that we have been left on the side lines with no hope of work and it is our fault for not finding work when a Work Coach who is paid to look nafter you sanctions you because you have not found work "of some sort"
Its OK finding work but when people hiring you need top cut costs and hire and fire, or give Zero hour contracts because they cannot gaurantee the hours, when inactual fact they can but can pay you UNDER THE MINIMUM WAGE, because they say times are hard and if you don't want the job I will get someone else to cover, or give the hours to one of the others? So you except, rather than get nothing.
I said many years ago the MP in your area represents you, if they don't or they abstain from voting because they don't want to go against the party rules. Then they should not be their, because in representing you, they let the PM know that he is representing the government in that area.
YOU CAN CHANGE THE LAW, you just need to know how. YOU, CAN CHANGE THE LAW, this discussion is how, look and read the technical bits, you don't have to understand them, because there are many others that do, and do fight FOR THE SAME CAUSE.
I am sometimes to brutal for my own good, when I express an opinion its because I have been through the ringer so many times, like probably Poppy, and cheirade (I hope I spelt it right) and we do have disagreements but that is what makes the forum tick.
YOUR opinion is valued, and so is theirs. Its not about gazumping people but bringing every one facing the same direction, and getting heard.
I am in court on the 23rd of this month and will mlet you know of that outcome. This is the culmination of a 10 year battle against the system that was stopped in 2012 and 2014, but has reared its head again.
So lets see what a combination of thoughts can do to get ADMIN (who are already on the ball collating) to get our voive hears through the New elected Senedd Membership we have (I am prowd to say I am one.) that use your comments to back up mine.
( to those I have not asked, can I quote with names missing, comments made here of your experiences to a court, if I have not alread asked?) If the answer is no then don't reply.
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