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I'll come back to you about IDS. Harrington, yes, muddled there.
"The suggestion that changes to ESA in 2011 were "snuck through" also requires clarification.
What exactly was changed, and which scrutiny process was bypassed?"- Read those amendments then ask me again if you haven't found the glaring alteration to ESA qualifying criteria! That is the evidence!
"As for the Oxford comma, while punctuation can sometimes matter in law, there is no clear evidence that its omission had significant consequences for ESA.
If it did, please show where and how."2. You first need to understand Part 1. I can't force you to read anything but there's no point in repeating myself if you won't even do that.
You say the Oxford comma "can sometimes matter in law" ?
I'm saying it did AND does matter in this case.
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Hi @onebigvoice,
Thanks so much for all your recent posts.Your fire, your honesty, your refusal to stay silent-it’s exactly what we need to move forward . What you said isn’t controversial at all. It’s truth. It’s lived experience. And it strengthens this collective voice, not weakens it.
You’ve exposed how the system was designed not to support, but to **** people of dignity-especially when it merges healthcare with financial assessments. And you’re right: we could fill a thousand pages with the damage that’s been done through systemic failure, mismanagement, and indifference.
But right now, we’re staring down a Green Paper where the government thinks they’ve silenced our voices so they can push this cruel plan through without people resistance….. In short, they’ve laid out a vague and non-inclusive blueprint, with the sole intent of slashing £4.5 billion from disabled and vulnerable people’s rightful benefits under the guise of “reform.” This proposal, if passed, will devastate lives. We know it. You’ve seen it. We all feel it.
They’re counting on our silence….or worse, misleading us into appearing to agree with their cruel proposals. But I so strongly feel we can turn that around. As I’ve said in my recent posts, the DWP consultation email inbox is our chance to make our voices strategically heard -and to flood them with real, united opposition to these ruthless benefit cuts. It also gives us real hope -a chance for us to directly scrutinise the government’s proposals in a way that cannot be ignored. ✌️
Real voices. Real stories. Real resistance.
As I mentioned recently in this Green Paper thread-this is the fight of our lives. It’s not just about opposing a proposal or consultation; it’s about survival. Poverty, starvation, even death-these aren’t exaggerations, they’re the stakes. We owe it to ourselves, our families,our children and the future not to stay silent.
So my friend-let’s take your fire and all our collective frustration-and channel it into strategic opposition through those emails to the DWP consultation inbox. And yes, we continue campaigning, protesting, petitioning to double the pressure -but I strongly feel sending that email is a direct hit to a system that thought we’d stay quiet.
The deadline is 30 June. We cannot let it pass.
We move forward together. Past pain becomes fuel. We echo with “ONE BIG VOICE” (by the way, I love your username❤️-so fitting for these times).
With respect and solidarity✊
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I think every PIP claim is individual which is one of the issues of blanket advice.
I've seen a lot of advice on here given just generally over PIP claims and tribunals, such as "don't address what the DWP said that was incorrect" and you "don't need medical evidence"…but those two things ultimately won me my case at tribunal, because I had extensive evidence the DWP had basically ignored, and my breakdown of all the places they'd made mistakes helped to focus the judge and panel on the real issues of my claim.But that was my case in my area in 2018. I feel like I can't assume that everyone else's case would be the same as mine. And ultimately, the person giving the points is the decision assessor/MR assessor/Tribunal. Not a person on a SCOPE forum. At the end of the day it always comes down to how well you convey your needs and (mostly) how much they listen/understand/believe those issues exist.
I have four points in preparing food because I can't cook, and it is actually dangerous for me to use the oven unsupervised because of my executive function. In my tribunal one of the panel basically insulted my parents for not teaching me to cook and implied I was lazy and a liar, and I was awarded only 2 points for food prep. Three years later, I got the 4 points at my PIP review without having to go through any appeal process.
This shows how arbitrary it is, based on the same person and the same evidence, but different people making the decisions. And this is probably where we're going to see mass chaos when reassessments begin for people who are potentially going to lose everything.
I'll also add I have zero points in several daily living categories. That fact alone makes me feel guilty because my 4 points in food prep means I still qualify, while those with 2 or 3 points in nearly everything will not. This, too, is arbitrary, and shows how little disability is understood.0 -
What is the email address for the consultation please? Many thanks.
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Lou, I've deleted my comments though they remain further down of course.
Yes, we are all on the same side. Thank you for your measured response to my little outburst.
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Thanks, @charlie72.
Please also refer to my recent posts on how we could strategically structure our emails with our own personal experiences (feel free to improvise — I just wanted to add a quick suggestion on what I thought might be useful as we’re running out of time and many of us were/are starting to lose hope).
Here’s the consultation email:
Consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp.gov.uk.
We cannot be silenced.Disabled voices matter !
In solidarity ✊
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Yes…..Absolutely, the impact on carers , especially with vulnerable people potentially becoming ineligible for PIP(due to the stricter criteria), is definitely something to include. There are also several other repercussions that I might not have listed in-depth , as this was just a strategy I quickly drafted based on how I’m structuring my own email. Feel free to adapt it to your personal experience as you see fit.
The key thing is that we target all these concerns and stand up against these benefit cuts by sending this strategic email by June
Our voices carry immense strength.
In solidarity ✊
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Oh I’m certainly not here to offend you I haven’t been posting much over the past couple of months but I read posts daily.
I don’t imagine your intention is to be rude but it’s certainly coming across as rude at times.So good luck on your journey and i will say no more
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Thanks for that, Iv'e emailed my responses, and did as you suggested with my own personal touch and how it will affect me etc. The more people we can get to email the bogus consultation, the better as they then can't just say we agreed with them or opposed them.
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Great, @charlie72 .thank you! 🙏🏽
Please do keep spreading the message to fellow disabled Scope members and beyond-let’s encourage everyone to email the consultation inbox and make it clear: our voices will not be silenced or sidelined. Disabled voices matter.With respect and solidarity ✊
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"It seems there may be some misunderstanding regarding my request. It is not my responsibility to verify the claims you've made. If you are confident in their accuracy, could you please provide the specific sources, legal references, or official documents that support them? Without clear evidence, these claims cannot be treated as established fact."
I'm not responsible for DWP's actions or lies nor can I explain 15 years of treachery in 15 minutes. If you wish to make a difference then read what I've suggested.
Otherwise, as I've said twice already, please stop telling me I am wrong when you don't (yet) know what I'm talking about. My comprehension is acute but typing and explaining myself is exhausting. Not understood/not believed is the same to me.
I think the reviewer was Paul Litchfield and Harrington was the government's medical advisor but these are minor points and make no difference to my claims. Read DNS reports for the facts about those WCA reviews. Or don't.
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Hi all. Please can we keep this civil. I'm sure we all have a difference of opinions from time to time, and it's really great people are discussing this. Also appreciate how frustrating this situation is, but please remember we're on the same team. ☺️
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Received my review form today , called MacMillan and they are going to guide me through it tomorrow .
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Hi @Topcat71,
I hear you-and you’re not alone. There’s still hope, and your voice can make a difference. I encourage you to respond strategically to the consultation email by end of June.Please take a moment to read all the recent posts here on this green paper thread .
We’re in this together.
We will not be silenced. Disabled voices matter.
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Thanks I thought that,saw my Dr today she writing me a letter to ask for paper assessment if needed too.disgrace if they use health care so called professional over a Dr.
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Journal of Urban Economics
Volume 141, May 2024, 103439
Austerity, welfare cuts and hate crime: Evidence from the UK's age of austerityWelfare reforms were gradually phased in starting with changes to Incapacity Benefit from October 2010, followed by changes to Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent deductions and tax credits in April 2011, Child benefit in January 2013 and finally five further changes from April 2013.
All reforms other than the changes to Child Benefit target low-income households, benefit recipients or otherwise disadvantaged individuals such as the disabled.
As a further robustness check we also construct a simple time-varying measure for the total loss in welfare cuts experienced in each CSP. The resulting variable equals 0 until 2009/10, equals the average loss due to Incapacity Benefit changes in 2010/11, the sum of losses due to changes to Incapacity Benefit, Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent Deduction and Tax Credits in 2011/12, the sum of losses due to changes to Incapacity Benefit, Local Housing Allowance, Non-dependent Deduction, Tax Credits and Child Benefit in 2012/13 and the full amount of losses in 2013/14 and 2014/15.
Appendix A
Incapacity benefits
The transition from Incapacity Benefits to Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) was begun by Labour in late 2008, with a new eligibility test, the Work Capability Assessment (Adams et al., 2011).
When the coalition government came to power, they decided to reassess the majority of the remaining Incapacity Benefit recipients, aiming to “help thousands of people move from benefits and back into work if they are capable while giving unconditional support to those who need it” (Department for Work and Pensions and Hoban, 2012).
People who were found capable of work were invited to claim Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA) (Job Centre Plus and Department for Work and Pensions, 2013), and in practice the reform led to “appeals, large backlogs, and the eventual effective collapse of the assessment system” and has been described as “the biggest single social policy failure of the last 15 years” (Portes, 2015).
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Benefits and Work has obtained details of the conditions which have the highest number of awards with no 4-point or higher descriptors.
The list, provided under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that almost eight out of ten awards where back pain is the primary disabling condition are at risk under the proposed 4-point or higher rule
This is closely followed by arthritis, where more than three quarters of awards are threatened.
The conditions least likely to lose out are learning disabilities, where only 3% are at risk and autistic spectrum disorders at 6%
These figures only cover working age claimants. There is a lack of clarity from the DWP about what will happen to pension age claimants from November 2026.
Rank
Health condition category
Volume of PIP Claimants in receipt of Daily Living component
Claimants awarded less than 4 points in all daily living activities
Volume in each condition group
Proportion in each condition group
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Back pain
194,000
154,000
79%
2
Arthritis
279,000
214,000
77%
3
Other Regional
Musculoskeletal Diseases
136,000
97,000
71%
4
Chronic pain syndromes
173,000
118,000
68%
5
Cardiovascular diseases
61,000
38,000
62%
6
Respiratory diseases
83,000
45,000
55%
7
Anxiety and depression
587,000
282,000
48%
8
Multiple sclerosis and neuropathic diseases
80,000
38,000
48%
9
All other conditions
272,000
126,000
46%
10
Other neurological diseases
97,000
35,000
36%
11
Cerebrovascular disease
56,000
19,000
34%
12
Cancer
70,000
23,000
33%
13
Epilepsy
36,000
11,000
30%
14
Other psychiatric disorders
90,000
25,000
28%
15
Cerebral Palsy and
Neurological Muscular
Diseases
47,00
11,000
24%
16
Psychotic disorders
112,000
26,000
23%
17
ADHD/ADD
75,000
14,000
19%
18
Autistic spectrum disorders
206,000
13,000
6%
19
Learning disabilities
188,000
7,000
3%
Notes
Health condition category is based on primary health condition as recorded on the PIP Computer System at time of latest assessment. Many claimants have multiple health conditions but only primary condition is available for analysis.
Only the 18 disabling condition groups which make up the highest proportions of the PIP caseload are displayed in this table.
Other disabling condition groups which cover smaller proportions of the PIP caseload are covered in the "Other Conditions" category. This includes:
- Visual Diseases
- Other General Musculoskeletal Diseases
- Endocrine Diseases
- Hearing Disorders
- Gastrointestinal Diseases
- Genitourinary Diseases
- Skin Diseases
- Autoimmune Diseases (Connective Tissue Disorders)
- Infectious Diseases
- Diseases of the Liver, Gallbladder or Biliary Tract
- Haematological Diseases
- Metabolic Diseases
- Multisystem and Extremes of Age
- Diseases of the Immune System
Anxiety and Depression includes the following conditions recorded in the PIP Stat Xplore data:
- Anxiety disorders - Other / type not known
- Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
- Stress reaction disorders - Other / type not known
- Generalised anxiety disorder
- Phobia - Specific
- Phobia - Social
- Agoraphobia
- Panic disorder
- Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
- Anxiety and depressive disorders - mixed
- Conversion disorder (hysteria)
- Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)
- Dissociative disorders - Other / type not known
- Somatoform disorders - Other / type not known
- Depressive disorder
- Bipolar affective disorder (Hypomania / Mania)
- Mood disorders - Other / type not known
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