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  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 913 Championing
    edited April 27

    Most immigrants are working, even some asylum seekers work.
    People moan about them getting accommodation, clothed and fed, but then moan again when they stealing jobs and so forth.
    They have been demonised just as we are getting demonised.
    I have never met a muslim moaning about disabled/sick people either, they do their job and keep their head down.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,829 Championing
    edited April 27
  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 913 Championing

    I think Labour and Tory joining up might happen, as they wont want PR. The two parties are quite close to each other now as well.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,829 Championing

    Ranald, I know it is! I had spooks in mind when I wrote that 😅

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 189 Empowering

    The Daily Mail and GB News, etc., are the ones who are intentionally misleading people and spreading fabrications in order to mainstream far-right divisive and racial hatred politics, not you.

    Again, asylum seekers are not immigrants, leave alone illegal immigrants, and this is where you fall for their agenda by repeating their falsehood, to start with.

    You question about a basic temporary accommodation provided to an asylum seeker while the Home Office is making a decision on their asylum claim, but you don't bother questioning the £21 bn of public money that's lost in fraud since Covid pandemic began, which will never be recovered! This figure doesn't come from me or a certain media which I trust but the National Audit Office.

    Your claim is no different from the claim of those who are saying that benefit claimants are nothing but a bunch of lazy workshy scroungers, who are playing the system.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Online Community Member Posts: 287 Empowering

    Do you have a link to that phone call? Or recall where you saw/heard it?

    I'm a member of many groups who are alert to news of this sort of event, and I've never seen/heard of it.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 189 Empowering

    "please don't assume I watch the mainstream news ."

    There's no such thing as "mainstream news".

    But if you meant the mainstream media, then, there's absolutely nothing wrong with watching it, as people even buy a licence to watch it.

    GB News is not part of the mainstream media, though. And the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Daily Express, etc., are tabloid papers whose daily staple is pointing out shocking or attention-grabbing stories or events that in reality aren't true and presenting them in an exaggerated or sensationalised manner to evoke a strong emotional reaction among the unsuspecting gullible audience.

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    You should really do more research , you may be shocked to find out every single media outlet are owned by five separate people , that's why their choice of narrative is easily pushed , they can pretty much say whatever they like .

    Even things found untrue are seldom retracted .May I say you appear to make the same mistake as many and believe certain media , the ones you trust , have a greater truth than others , they all only say what they want you to hear , but you choose what you actually want to hear .

    Please learn to question and research for yourself while you have the chance .

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering
  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Online Community Member Posts: 266 Empowering

    I have noticed you keep using emotive terms, parrot fashion just like the media ,terms such as asylum seeker , immigrant , you carefully avoid the term illegal , we have a system that deals with asylum and deals with immigration, a system that many use correctly to gain entry to this country , do you think it is fair that system has ground to a halt because of illegal immigrants ? I believe no one has any issues with these people entering the country and being looked after accordingly , though the majority of these people are checked and have the means to support themselves once they enter the country .

    The issue most people have are the illegal immigrants , now we have several issues to deal with , we do not know who they are , their past criminality if any ,we do not know if we are supporting human trafficking , because how did they get here ? , we do know they chose to work round a legal system, we do know they are not running for their lives , no war in France , we do know they are taking up recourses , they are obviously being fed , housed, clothed etc .

    I would love to do a survey among those who believe these illegal immigrants should be supported , the main points to the survey would be :

    1 how many illegal immigrants can you personally house

    2 how much of your personal income / savings would you give to support illegal immigrants

    3 how much of your personal income would you use to sponsor the daily living of any illegal immigrant

    4 would you support an increase in your personal tax payment to pay for illegal immigrants

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 133 Empowering

    Yeahhh a fellow ''spoiler'' love it, mine was posted back last week with a nice message on it lol

  • onebigvoice
    onebigvoice Scope Member Posts: 909 Pioneering

    Here is another relevation to all:

    Why do you need a Tribunal:-

    I Tribunal is a "last resort" where information sent in by a Claimant for benefits has been looked at, and a Decision Maker for the DWP has made a decision on the availability of a benefit based on what you have sent in.

    a) If the Decision Maker decides s/he can make a decision based on that, you will receive that decision.

    b) On receiving that decision, the claimant will look at that report and decide whether the report is correct based on the evidence that they (DWP) have.

    c) There are now two points raised here, i) Except its content, and send confirmation (via E mail, as electronic) or send a hard copy of your signature in the response forms, that you have excepted its content and no further action is needed.

    ii) You do not except its content, and you go through the report, highlighting the "errors" or omissions within that report,

    ii. a) You also add what you believe has been omitted with hard copies, (or within the response e-mail) by way of support letters from other parties, on headed paper from people that treat you, (these are files contained within your medical history.) or any medical evidence that has changed either since the form has been submitted, or that you feel should have been included and was not looked at, ( this could be by way of a cyclical event in your treatment, an operation pending, or an operation that has taken place where the results have either been collated with a view of re-visiting the prescribed medication in line with the results or expected results, which, due to the type of operation, a "quick fix" is not the entended result, but on paper would go some way in improving the daily life of the claimant. Cancer being one such operation.

    d) That when the report was originally commissioned by the DWP that all evidence would be included and sent to the decision maker, where he would base the initial report based on his experience. This again raises issues as far as the claimant is concernedsince,

    a) The claimant may not understand the form sent and would rely on the decision maker to help fill out the form and send in appropiate information, which can be via support letters or medical history.

    a. i) The claimant some times when answering such a request, will vet his/her information sent as irrelevant, or not needed, yet when looking at the bigger picture of the claim becomes relevant for the decision maker to understand and make an unbias report about the claimant.

    An example is having to get up more than twice to go to the toilet?

    Left off the form: How you struggle to get in and out of bed, whether the toilet is up stairs or down stairs, whether because you cannot climb stairs your bedroom is on the ground floor of a 2 story house or 3 story masonette, that struggling to climb stairs, that the property offered is on the third floor where access and regress to the building is required every time you go out, and subsequently this isolates you as you won't go out to compensate.

    e) Further information is submitted, where a decision maker will look at the information and then decide whether it warrents a change under the change of circumstances, or that the information supplied is beyond his normal expertise as they are not medically qualified, and would require further support from people that they hire to give a report on the medical information and history supplied, as the "gargon" used by Doctors or the expected results can only be decifered by a Medically trained professional, this would also take into account the medication previously taken and why there was a need to increase or decrease the dosage at that time, or the future, to coinside with the results that the Doctor of medically trained person would be expecting.

    This is the basis of every claim:-

    Since the System of assessment is being questioned not only by me and SCOPE, but every person that claims a benefit under the "new" Reform Rules and the way that the government suports the benefit system by making cuts based on costings and not the "individual" needs of the claimant. Then I need to question "What am I paying National Insurance" for?

    Who supports the claimant when an issue arrises? Since the cause of the problem is the very people that administer the claim from start to finish?

    Why do we need a further assessment for benefits when the need for an assessment is to get "medical assistance"

    This is incomplete but after a week of how the system works and the recent Judicial review in a tribunal on Wednesday 23rd April. it is time to stop peoples perception of what I ask for and give me the requested information in a PDF format so I can enforce that document with the continual errors made as they say its a legal document used to base all claims on.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    That's horrendous and I can well believe the cruelty and fear inflicted on people should be enough money for us all ! And the gluttonous greedy government keeping for themselves anything to do with The government DWP inflicts psychological abuse keep sharing this people need to know the human side for to many years government divided us all we want a peaceful life to live not been used and abused much respect to you

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    Keep putting pressure on mps I'm emailing god knows who Google mps agreeing to cuts one asked are you from this area said nope just wanted you to know we will remember on voting day

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    Sent I've emailed him so much stuff think 24 times now oh well

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 5,439 Championing

    Let's get back to fighting this welfare reforms !!! The wind blows and people' start squabbling wise up and keep fighting for our future rime Iis running out is anyone serious about this if you are start fighting against changes not each other gosh people so easy to control and manipulate

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 808 Championing

    Morning everyone,

    so I just read more exerts from Lord Ashcrofts book on starmer in the daily mail. I could be wrong but I think this was the source of the talk of rayner quitting. Today they give a picture of starmer , by past colleagues and acquaintances, of being weak and instead of fighting during a court case but trying to go along with proceedings. Apparently easily swayed is the impression I got . If this is true would it be worth us all again emailing him ? He comes across as weak so maybe he could be swayed ? I can’t link it on here as I don’t know how sorry but someone may find it interesting.

  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 913 Championing

    Any links, including raynor quitting, not heard of that.

    I have stayed away from the news.