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You have the freedom to believe what you like, but shouldn't we base our belief on rational thought?
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Bill Gates & the 'chemtrails'?
I'd like to stop the spread of any misinformation & have been trying to ignore it. With apologies that such comments continue on this thread & elsewhere & are both untrue & irrelevant to the discussions in hand.
I know the majority of our members will read things for themselves to make an informed decision, but this sort of continuing misinformation here needs to stop.
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It is tinfoil hat territory. I have an estranged brother who believes all kinds of unsubstantiated rubbish he read online. I agree that it has no place within this community.
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My estranged sister did to, conspiracy theories which were just too far removed from reality. My answer was just ๐. Here, I can just 'scroll on' thankfully ๐
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The thing is, this brother of mine works in 'the city', the first of us to go to university. If anyone should be diving down these rabbit holes, it's me -"divorced, unemployed, involuntarily celibate etc; not the wealthy, educated, happily married one.
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I hear you. For me, as soon as the conspiracy theorists started about the horror and tragedy that was 9/11 and the holocaust deniers, I just think whoah (well, I think more than that obviously...) but I wouldn't even waste my precious energy giving time to the nonsense. One of the very BEST things about the Internet is the ability to scroll on. Who'd have knew โบ๏ธ, just like skipping a page in a book.
I know what kind of world I want to inhabit and luckily for me, it hasn't been one where people only look out for themselves. No 'I'm alright Jack' here. I wonder sometimes what my lovely dad would have made of it all. I pretty much know. Like father like son, as the saying goes (or Like father like daughter, in my case ๐ซ ๐).
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I don't know how to prepare I sm just scared.Sorry
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While I agree with your comments and that of others, the whole Idea of a discussion is promote ideas and possibly change someone elses view because they were told this or that and they have agreed to it at the time.
Yes I have discussed Flat earth, and that we are having the sun go round us, and that one day we are going to have a meteor hit earth that is going to be of solid gold and make our gold reserves plumit and not be the basis of currency, and that Donald Trump will never get another term in office as long as I have a hole in my shoe.
Well folkes, I do have a hole in my shoe otherwise how do you get your foot in? What you do is design the shhoe to be fit for purpose. Make them slip on, or zipped up at the front, side, back, have no heels or stilletto's. Made from man made materials, plastic, crocodile, or the latest fad by making them from the Skin of a T-Rex that was found in the perma-frost that is still eatable today?
To make a valid point is not about the Tin foil brigade and whether you support that or not since we have the Raving Looney Party in Parliament, but how change can be achieved through discussions "not" wars.
Nigel is now proving this by winning more and more seats, yet a year ago people were calling him a Radical?
In order to go forward in anything, you have to look from both sides and not be afraid to say we made a mistake.
In the news to state that will Keir have to back down and change his plans, is rubbish to me, what he should be saying, which he is, is, that we hear you and we are going to resind some things that are not being reacted to quickly enough or the expected results were not in line with our master plan.
Its not a question of being "forced" to do something but listening to the people on the Ground, the likes of you and me that are becoming a scociety of Money run institutens where budgets and Bonuses set the markers, and reinvestment come as a TAX RELIEF, except when things start to break then its pass the cost onto the people who "have no say" in the matter because we are on the receiving end of every thing except an easier life, now even when you retire.
It all comes under a DIFFERENT HAT, and a different set of cuts.
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There's lots of irrelevant posts on this discussion , but when someone asks a question its polite to answer.
Keep burying your head in the sand it stops you seeing the poison falling on you .
Or start your own thread and we can discuss our theories , because what you said doesn't mean its fact .
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Definitely , so what is your rational thought ?
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YOU NEED TO ASK YOURSELF WHY THEY WENT TO THE LENGTH OF BANNING SOMETHING IF ITS JUST A CONSPIRACY .
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So I might be reading your reply wrong but your answer seems to imply the best thing to do is skip past anything you don't believe, will anyone learn anything new that way, If a belief is worth holding surely it bares scrutiny, I might even say demands scrutiny.
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This is an excellent article (below) from Jeremy Corbyn's former deputy John McDonnell in the Guardian.
The Labour government leadership will not listen and back down on their policy decisions. As far as they are concerned, they can do no wrong.
They are bringing us the hell of Reform style (so called) welfare reform proposals early before Reform even have a chance to get into power!!
According to the Starmer and Co. they now intend to go further and faster with their policy intentions for this country.
However, they will not see that Reform UK are not going to be the people that get them out of power after one term.
It will be US and other ordinary people suffering with the cost of living, the removal of the Winter Fuel Allowance etc. that put them out of power. Their voting core who have been betrayed and and treated shamefully by them.
I've just discovered that 92% of all PIP claimants live in Labour Constituencies. Just those claiments alone could make a massive difference to the vote at the next General Election.
Why are they so arrogant that they will keep going with this highly destructive course which will undoubtedly cause their destruction. Because they GREATLY MISUNDERESTIMATE US ALL!!
We must keep the pressure up on them with our campaigning and vote at the General Election and all the Local Elections preferably for the Greens or if necessary, the Lib Dems or if you don't like any of them, spoil your ballot!
It will be registered as a non vote for all the political parties. Not voting at all really isn't an option because politicians will take advantage of that to your detriment and think that their policies are not affecting you badly enough if you don't vote.
It does look as though we might have to fight this long term but there is always hope, however difficult it may be to see. There only stops being hope if you stop fighting!!
Labour alienated its core and failed to attract Reform voters. Now will Starmer change tack?
John McDonnell
The local elections showed that voters feel betrayed. But in a party that brooks no dissent, that message isn't getting through
John McDonnell was shadow chancellor for Labour from 2015 to 2020
The response from Labour spokespeople so far to the loss of Runcorn and Helsby - and to the election results as a whole has been especially tin-eared. There doesn't seem to be any understanding of the deep-seated emotion in the reaction of Labour supporters to the party's behaviour in government over the past 10 months. There used to be talk of the need for emotional literacy in politics. What we are witnessing is a staggering level of emotional illiteracy.
Labour supporters feel deeply that their party has turned its back on them. It's not just that they feel they are not being listened to. It's that the Starmer and Reeves government is doing things that they believe no Labour government should ever do.
After 14 years of enduring year after year of austerity under the Conservatives, there was such a collective sigh of relief in getting rid of the incompetent, corrupt and brutal Tories. There might not have been much in the way of inspiring politics from Keir Starmer in the run-up to the election last July, but at least we had a Labour government.
The problem now is that, at times, the government is unrecognisable as a Labour government. This isn't the traditional argument about whether the Starmer administration is behaving like old Labour or New Labour. It's whether it's Labour at all in the eyes of people who have supported us or would want to support us.
The strategy dictated by Starmer's office appears to be that, to neutralise Reform, Labour has to position itself as close to Nigel Farage's party as possible. The argument is that this will give Labour the breathing space of the next few years to deliver the investment and noticeable improvement in our public services that will garner the support needed to win the next election.
The plan was that the large-scale investment required to radically improve our public services would come from growth and a limited range of tax redistribution measures. The problems with this strategy became pretty obvious very quickly.
If Labour seeks to ape Reform, then voters will largely opt for the real deal and vote Reform, while at the same time Labour will alienate supporters who are aghast at the party adopting Reform-like positioning on immigration.
If the growth and investment in the economy are not on the scale needed, then the only other way to secure these resources is through borrowing or redistribution of wealth. Having a fiscal rule that restricts borrowing becomes largely a technical argument, but when books are balanced through cuts in the winter fuel allowance, a national insurance "jobs tax" and cuts to disability benefits, no amount of citing improvements in NHS waiting-list figures can overcome the betrayal Labour supporters feel.
The problems with the strategy are so obvious, but the usual mechanisms for communicating signs of discontent are broken. In normal circumstances the feedback from Labour's membership in the constituencies or from MPs and councillors would flag up an emerging problem.
This self-correcting mechanism within the party failed to operate because the centralised control of the party under Starmer has meant that political debate in constituency Labour parties is closed down or ignored and dissent expressed by Labour MPs is met with threats of the withdrawal of the whip. As the large number of newly elected MPs took time to find their feet, it naturally meant that their voices have been relatively quiet.
The overall impression now is that the government lacks not just any political strategy but also any sense of purpose. People are also questioning the moral compass of a government that increases poverty among children by keeping the Conservatives' two-child limit and among pensioners by means-testing the winter fuel allowance, as well as one that puts the welfare of hundreds of thousands of disabled people at risk by cutting their benefits.
It's time for Labour party members and elected representatives to stand up and call for a resetting of Labour's strategy but also, just as importantly, to reclaim the party for democracy so that we do not cut ourselves off from our supporters like this again. A first, significant step to symbolise that change would be for the Labour leadership to listen to our people and drop the cuts to disability benefits.
John McDonnell is the independent MP for Hayes and Harlington. He was shadow chancellor for Labour from 2015 to 2020
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Like I said, I wouldn't waste my precious energy on whatever I consider to be nonsense ๐. I'm pretty good at determining what requires scrutiny. Or not.
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So I was correct, you make your own mind up on what is nonsense and then ignore anything after that decision, that will effectively eliminate any chance of being proved wrong and also eliminates your ability to learn, A very closed minded position in my humble opinion, I believe if we are prepared to be proved wrong, yes we run the risk of being proved wrong but we also stay informed and in truth.
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It's called being discerning. Not a bad trait to have in my, humble opinion ๐ซ ๐.
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what is discerning about making your mind up and closing your eyes and ears to any further evidence and screaming I don't believe it, when a child does this do we consider that child discerning? how can we expect any opinion to change, how can we expect and further discourse, what is your opinion on others who have an opposing view to you but would do the same as you.
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I can very highly recommend being discerning. Some are happy to accept poison/toxicity seeping into their brains - happily for me I'm not one. Hence very happy to scroll - you might want to try it ๐
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If I could drive impossible I really don't retain information I would sell All my belongings buy van make it livable and do that otherwise rather than be homeless rent a room I'd despise that but better than streets look I don't think this will go through the way they wanted reform threw big spanner in thier plans who's thier biggest voters elderly and disabled what we have to do is email mps right up to last minute put all energy you put on here debating ect put on email mps and pertitions
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Its normal to be scared I had months of mental turmoil I think what's happened may work to our advantage reform has thrown a big spanner in the works I can see this getting watered down they will have to back down and start listening to the people t
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