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No thanks I prefer freedom of speech, I prefer to challenge my beliefs, I prefer to risk being proven wrong, it is the Only chance we have to learn, understand and develop, closed minds are dangerous, people who cannot be wrong are dangerous, cancel culture is dangerous, as I said before, If we all just took the attitude I have made my mind up, I don't want to hear anything else anyone's says, no opposing opinions should be allowed, we have zero room for any discourse, change, maybe this is why war still plagues us.
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That is really good what you have said , it's like the Labour government and their green paper proposals, their attitude 'this is how it is , no questions asked ' so must be acceptable to those who say they just scroll by what they feel is not true, but are complaining about the green paper.
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I've been constantly emailing mps and have said this is the ideal time to email and tell labour mps of they agree with cuts we will vote them out feel like talking to brick wall we have the power so sick of repeating myself
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Could someone please shed some light on whats happening with regards to LCWRA?
There hasn't been much said on this as far as I'm aware? It's all being concentrated on PIP. Are the government proposing to scrap lcwra? And if so, what will happen to those already in that group? I am in the lcwra group and I also get PIP. I have heard that the government are propsing to merge PIP with the health element, and so new applicants will have to go through the new process of applying for the health element if that be the case, but what about those already in that group?
I have read that the name lcwra will be replaced with something like health group? But is that all they're proposing to change, just the name? And freezing payments?
I've read contradictory things, some saying that those in the lcwra won't be reassessed, only in very limited circumstances. Then I've read that those in that group, after reassessment if they should remain in that group will not be reassesed again.
So, what's going on with regards to lcwra? Do I need to worry? Will I be reassesssed, will my lcwra be taken off me?
Also, I scored one 4 point in the daily living component for PIP, that being the case, and my circumstances have not changed, when my reassessment for this comes around, will I likely keep that 4 point?
I am very worried and very confused about all this, so anyone who could shed some light , clarify things and help me to understand, I'd appreciate that so much.
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Afternoon all.
I am in the middle of completing my pip renewal form.
I'm doing a bit each day and being really careful and detailed in my responses.
The highest score I got last time was 3 and I didn't challenge it because I got awarded higher rate.
This time I am trying to get three scores of 4 points each because I believe I fit the criteria and I have evidence to back it up.
I don't think its going to be easy because they are making it harder to qualify.
The last two assessments my mobility was reduced from high to standard and I got it back on mandatory reconsideration.
I'm dreading the assessment.
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anon, I agree that members seem stuck on PIP and pensioners when these 'reforms' are only about working-age benefits.
Too few members are asking the right questions about this Green Paper.
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Hi @anon85 - From Scope's info about the proposed changes:
''The major changes include:
- Changing the eligibility for the Daily Living component of PIP. At the moment, PIP claimants score points against a list of criteria in their assessment. These criteria are called activities. A claimant must score at least 8 points to qualify for PIP. These points can add up to 8 across different activities. Under the new rules, claimants will still need to score at least 8 points in the assessment. But they must score 4 points in a single activity
- Freezing the health element of Universal Credit from 2026 / 2027. New claimants from April 2026 will also be given a much lower health element. The timeline for this could change
- There will also be a Severe Disability Premium for those with severe and lifelong conditions who receive the health element. We do not know much about what the Severe Disability Premium looks like yet.
- Disabled young people will be able to get Disability Living Allowance (DLA) until they are 18. But they won’t be eligible for the health element until they are 22.
- Scrapping the WCA in 2028. It will be replaced by the tougher PIP assessment.''
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I don't know if I'm missing something but again, I don't see anything with regards to lcwra in the highlights from Scope?
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Do you think starmer will back down on these proposals
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People tend to focus on what has the most challenge to their own peace but from what I have read the part stressing the requirement of a 4 point descriptor is aimed squarely at PIP claimants and is very worrying for many.
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anon, "Then I've read that those in that group, after reassessment if they should remain in that group will not be reassesed again."
That is correct. Claimants will be reassessed under the 2016 reforms which people don't seem to realise is what will do them the most damage. Whether they remain LCWRA without the main exceptional circumstances provision in place is anyone's guess. Some members believe the problems lie in the proposed changes rather than past ones.
DWP's mission is to move everyone onto the UC system by hook or by crook. Neil Couling took the brake off UC last May then sloped off.
We're all missing something here.
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You can lead a horse to water .......
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It’s true the 2016 reforms made the WCA stricter, but the bigger changes are still to come. By 2028, both the WCA and LCWRA group will be scrapped. The only way to get extra support through UC for health or disability will be by qualifying for PIP.
This is a major shift. PIP has different and often tougher criteria, focusing on daily living and mobility rather than work capability. From November 2026, the rules will tighten further. Claimants will need at least 4 points in a single daily living activity to qualify for that component.
Once the WCA is removed, anyone who does not meet the stricter PIP rules, regardless of their disability or long-term condition, will not receive the UC health element at all. So while the 2016 reforms did matter, the real risk lies ahead. Many, could be left without any extra support.
You asked if we are missing something. Yes, we are. The real issue is not the 2016 reforms, which will soon be irrelevant, but the fundamental changes just around the corner. That is where the focus needs to be.
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Hi @Catherine21 😊
Yes, I've seen that you have been doing sterling work. Well done. ✊
I have emailed my MP amongst others and I did get a reasonable reply which was something but he was vague and dismissive for all that.
I can't threaten my MP to vote him out of government though. He's a Tory!! 🙄
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"It’s true the 2016 reforms made the WCA stricter"
Those 'reforms' make the WCA perilous for LCWRA claimants. Stricter doesn't even cover it!
They were not reforms at all, just a pack of lies.
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The 2016 reforms made the WCA stricter, but that’s mild compared to what’s coming. Eligibility is tightening, payments are being slashed, and assessments are harsher than ever. For LCWRA claimants, the new regime is ruthless, many who qualified in 2016 won’t make the cut. This isn’t just stricter, it’s a whole new level of harsh. We need to stay focused on what is happening now, not yesterday.
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anon, PIP is not our main worry, no.
Reforms to the WCA and years of campaigners calling for it to be scrapped have become petitions to scrap the WCA. Plans to merge PIP with working-age benefits is not new. There was never meant to be two health assessments as DLA was a working-age benefit only. Things went wrong a long time ago - in 2012 to be precise.
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MW, eligibility for LCWRA was tightened in 2016. We just haven't spoken about it for the last 10 years!!!
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UC wasn't ready in 2017 for mass migrations then we had the pandemic. Skirting around the 2015 cuts as though 'the most severely disabled' will only be harmed by future changes and not these is dangerous thinking.
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100 percent 2026 is just round the corner
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