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  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 394 Pioneering

    Hi @Catherine21 ๐Ÿ˜Š

    Yes, I've seen that you have been doing sterling work. Well done. โœŠ

    I have emailed my MP amongst others and I did get a reasonable reply which was something but he was vague and dismissive for all that.

    I can't threaten my MP to vote him out of government though. He's a Tory!! ๐Ÿ™„

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing
    edited May 2025

    "Itโ€™s true the 2016 reforms made the WCA stricter"

    Those 'reforms' make the WCA perilous for LCWRA claimants. Stricter doesn't even cover it!

    They were not reforms at all, just a pack of lies.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing

    anon, PIP is not our main worry, no.

    Reforms to the WCA and years of campaigners calling for it to be scrapped have become petitions to scrap the WCA. Plans to merge PIP with working-age benefits is not new. There was never meant to be two health assessments as DLA was a working-age benefit only. Things went wrong a long time ago - in 2012 to be precise.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing
    edited May 2025

    MW, eligibility for LCWRA was tightened in 2016. We just haven't spoken about it for the last 10 years!!!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing

    UC wasn't ready in 2017 for mass migrations then we had the pandemic. Skirting around the 2015 cuts as though 'the most severely disabled' will only be harmed by future changes and not these is dangerous thinking.

  • anon85
    anon85 Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    I have read from several sources recently published that those in the lcwra group will not be reassessed, only in exceptional circumstances such as reports to changes in health, investigating fraud, etc

    I'm in a state of confusion over this, as whilst I've read the above from several sources, it seems that some people don't think this to be correct?

    Please could you let me know your thoughts on this and why you think that? I ask to try to get clarity.

    And also, please could you let me know in your opinion, as i know this can only be answered through personal opinion, if someone has previously scored 4 points in one of the daily living criteria of PIP and their circumstances have not changed, in your opinion do you think they'd get the 4 points again upon reassessment?

  • anon85
    anon85 Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/dwp-announces-major-wca-changes-new-esa-and-uc-claimants-2025

    This article for example states what I've been reading from several sources, that lcwra claimants will not be reassessed.

    Am I missing something or misinterpreting this?

    I'd appreciate your thoughts and insights.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing

    Those are proposals.. Nothing changes in 3 weeks' time.

    I suggest finding out what really happened in 2016 and why it all went quiet!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing

    anon, I can't date your article but bear in mind that this mention of "Amending the LCWRA Substantial Risk regulation" has already happened. I can only think this is here to confuse people.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,026 Championing

    Where do people think that 'experts' like B&W get their information from?

    anon, I don't know anything about PIP only that the greatest risk is to working-age claimants being migrated to UC under the 2016 reforms. They should not have been passed. Nor the 2012 reforms. Parliament was lied to and we are still being lied to about why further changes are needed to fix the 'broken' benefits system. The one they broke!

    The bereaved families have been lied to for too long. I think they deserve to know the facts about welfare reform.

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 447 Empowering

    If your circumstances have not changed and you scored 4 points then you would appeal if they scored down this time in my opinion .

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    Have I missed something important? What is happening in three weeks time. Thank you.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    The Green Paper consultation period runs until 30 June.

    @Catherine21 What's happening in three weeks?

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Community Member Posts: 302 Championing

    I do wonder if Starmer/Reeves are deliberately trying to tank Labour? They have lost the plot with their "plans".

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    I'm OK, thanks, but I can't get my mind from all this viscous business. Even the pain I'm in beats living with the fear.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,345 Championing

    Remember to complete the Green Paper questionnaire and, if need be, return to it if you think of something you hadn't the first time. Call them out (politely) for not consulting on key changes.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Community Member Posts: 201 Empowering

    Hi Everyone

    i emailed Starmer yesterday as ive just had enough of this, goverment in a mess with their finances so lets target the most vulnerable and take what they have to make our goverment book right.

    So many issues i went through but dont think will hear back from him.

    will keep email all mps like i have been doing

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,366 Championing

    It is very strange. Maybe, just maybe the light bulb moment has happened for them and they're now seriously considering U turning on WFP and the cruel benefit reforms, doing this will surely get them some votes back. I know they haven't said anything, but maybe they wont until things are concrete.

    I'd rather never vote Labour again even if they do do a u-turn because of what they've done, but what's the alternative? If I vote for Greens they'll probably not get in and because that's one less vote for Labour it'll be more likely that the Tories or Reform will succeed and then we'd be back where we are with all the worry and things could be much, much worse than they are now.

  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 274 Empowering

    People with long awards-say 2028 and further; are pip going to deliberately review them earlier, due to all these changes

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Member Posts: 17,413 Championing

    Thank you for giving a link to this report the data contained in which gives not only a direct correlation between the impact on those of working age & how many are Labour constituents, but also how those worst affected will likely be impacted:

    ''Given that PIP is a health-related benefit, we also assessed the association between life expectancy at birth as an indicator of population health and total estimated loss in PIP. Again, there is a strong association between the two, such that the areas set to lose the most tend to have much lower life expectancies''

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