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  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    that is very early , hope it all goes well for you .

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Member Posts: 17,441 Championing

    The link that sarah_lea provided also went on to reference Health Equity North's report saying,''….many Labour campaigners said benefit cuts were a more potent issue in the local elections in the so-called “Red Wall”, the former Labour heartlands of the Midlands and northern England. Over the weekend some MPs have been sharing research suggesting the proposed changes to Pip could have a “devastating” effect on some of the most deprived communities in England. The report from Health Equity North, a group of academics, said the cuts would fall hardest on the north-east and north-west of England. “The 10 worst-hit constituencies are all Labour-held, and in ‘Red Wall’ areas…”

    I've just emailed Kemi Badenoch including a link to Health Equity North's report: https://www.healthequitynorth.co.uk/app/uploads/PIP-REPORT-1.pdf as I feel it's important reading for any MP that may hopefully listen.

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  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Community Member Posts: 4,285 Championing

    I hope you're OK @Ranald 👍. I got your email re Oxford, don't know if it's a gremlin but couldn't link into it but got the gist. Didn't want to just not acknowledge it!

    Never got back to my book 😬🙄, well, one page but there's always tomorrow.

  • TK1
    TK1 Community Member Posts: 44 Contributor

    someone asked if anyone has been awarded 4 points in PIP. I had 4 points in the cooking activity in 2019 for MH but this was reduced to 2 points following assessment in 2024. So having 4 points now does not mean you will automatically keep these points.


    The Labour Party called UC 'cruel and inhumane' when UC was introduced. These words apply to what this Labour govt is doing to vulnerable and disabled people. It's disgraceful. I only hope that a legal change to these unjust cuts. I won't be around long if they go ahead. I'm already struggling to cope.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    I still have no idea what you mean about the 2016 reforms ? It's Confusing me alot .....

    Last assessment was 2019 for ESA , I was supposed to have another in 2021 , so six years in November since a reassessment and 4 years overdue .... Technically I've never been assessed for lcwra , always ESA support group got put in lcwra automatically because of support group status

    I voullentatrlly moved to UC in 2022 , I now get cbesa every two weeks and UC at end of the month with deducting my UC

    I was of the impression I'm just well overdue a reassessment and when I get one it will be a UC 50 form instead of ESA50 , which are nearly identical in descriptors and questions , if I pass it will cover both my cbesa and support group .…

    And because I don't get pip any changes won't affect me till 2028 when wca is abolished and new pip criteria takes over the rest ....

    But this 2016 reforms are really throwing me , I've got serve OCD and can't take anything in but I thought I'd finally got a handle on this but now I'm not sure 🤦

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Yes but it won't effect existing lcwra claimed from November 2026 , it will only affect us when the wca is abolished in 2028 .... It will only affect existing and new claimants of pip from November 2026 , if you lcwra claiments that don't get pip get reassessed after that date they will still be reassessed through the WCA until it's scrapped in 2028

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Also if I passed a reassessment in 2019 for cbesa with a income related top up , surely that wca would of been after the new 2016 reforms ? I've been led to believe that the lcwra reassessment is exactly the same as ESA , so when it comes around again surely it should be the same as what I had in 2019 , except it will be a UC50 instead of a esa50 ?? .... Or should I be expecting something different ? .... Because if not , all this talk of reforms that happened nearly ten years ago are just confusing what's going on

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    That wouldn't surprise me but could please tell me where you got that information from?

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,558 Championing
  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 268 Empowering

    Its a question, i didnt hear it from anywhere other than wondering if anyone with a long award has been reassessed much sooner ; but i also know they can assess at anytime, but still!

  • Topcat71
    Topcat71 Community Member Posts: 194 Empowering

    The not knowing is making us more sick. I felt more pain since all this started so I presume because I stressed it making things worse for me. After Christmas is going to be awful in 2026. It will be a year of much upset for many of us.

  • Middleton
    Middleton Community Member Posts: 268 Empowering

    Thats my original point! i think theyre going to just get through reviews asap, no matter the length of award

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 4,558 Championing

    I have two long standing shoulder injuries and I can't reach behind my back but I'm having a problem how to get it across to them on the form that it prevents me washing my back and putting upper body clothes on.

    They have only given me 3 weeks to complete and return the form so I am aiming to send it on Friday and tell them I wave requested my medical records from my Doctor and I intend to send further evidence at a layer date.

    All this and I unwell at the moment.

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering

    They want us under stress and unwell, I hope you get a long award this time well into retirement . I also hope I get a long award into my retirement . I'm no good to any employer I have agoraphobia I'm nearly deaf and can hardly walk .

  • anon85
    anon85 Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    With regards to lcwra, where do you find out if you were deemed " substantial risk " ?

  • sarah_lea12
    sarah_lea12 Community Member Posts: 442 Empowering
  • calflye
    calflye Community Member Posts: 109 Empowering

    It would be in the decision letter. My decision letter for my UC WCA says I was awarded based on substantial risk

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Forgive me if I'm wrong but hasn't that always been the case anyway .....that if your reassessed and you don't get awarded again you loose entitlement to the benefit you receive ? ..... Nothing has changed regarding that .... I'm saying that people in my situation of recieving esa and lcwra but NOT PIP would still be reassessed under the wca even if we are reassessed AFTER November 2026 , as the new criteria that kicks in then is only for claimants that receive PIP .... People that don't receive it will continue to be reassessed through wca until it's abolishment on 2028 when the new pip criteria will take over for everyone else as well ....

    That's what I was saying previously , I'm just concentrating on passing that assessment as long as I do things will stay the same and then I'll deal with the new criteria when it comes

    Like I say technically I've never been assessed for lcwra , my last reassessment was for ESA , it was November 2019 and I was due another in 2021 , so it will be 6 years in November since I've had one and will be 4 overdue

    I voullentatrlly moved to UC in 2022 so technically I've never been assessed for UC , I was automatically given lcwra because of my support group status , I was of the impression that the uc50 is the same as the ESA50 in regards to questions and descriptors so it's no different to the ESA50 I've always filled in before , and the uc50 covers both the cbesa part of my claim as well as the lcwra part

    It was all the mentioning of being assessed under the new 2016 reforms that completely threw me , are these somehow different from what I've always been used too ? Very confusing

  • anon85
    anon85 Community Member Posts: 23 Contributor

    So I didn't get an award letter in the post for my lcwra claim, only a letter sent via email to be read via pdf. On that letter it simply stated I'd been found to have limited capability to work etc and there was no mention of substantial risk. So should I take that to mean, since there was no mention of this, that I didn't fall into the substantial risk category? If so, is this a good thing or bad thing, in light of the new welfare proposals?

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