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I just watched it and it’s spot on . It’s amazing to think Starmer was once called flip flop for changing his mind and was considered weak . Obviously that was him trying not to show his hand . He’s actually the complete opposite and imo a psychopath. I can’t help feeling he’s there to destroy the party at the expense of Britain. You see him Reeves and Kendall taking money off of pensioners and now the disabled and giggling together. This is a very strange party that seem set to jeopardise everything they touch . I don’t want to sound conspiracy theorist but it’s hard to believe anyone could be this stupid . For me I never liked him , there’s just something about him I don’t trust and he creeps me out .
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Thanks a lot.
I'm familiar with the WCA, as my first and last one was in 2022 and I still have a copy of my completed form. It's rather the PIP that worries me. The good thing is that, from what I read, since Covid 19 almost all PIP assessments have been conducted on the phone - provided I'm not wrong. Nothing stressed me out as much as the WCA had stressed me out in my life. You can't imagine how I got relieved when my assessor told me that I had passed the assessment. In fact, she told me, "you'll get more money and you won't have to sign on at the job centre from today onward."
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I'm an atheist and I was struck by your message. 😊I'm sorry to hear that the loathsome Richard Tice upset you. He just typifies why Reform UK is just SO WRONG. 😳
It seems the more right wing politions get, the more "Christian" they seem to become. The more hypocritical they become, would be a much more to the point. 😒
You are quite right in saying that a Christian should actually follow Christian teachings and when it comes to non believers, we should all be united with people of faith in showing compassion to disabled and all other vulnerable people.
As Richard Tice is as unfeeling and immoral as he is, why doesn't he keep his religious grandstanding to himself. 😡 He's obviously too arrogant to think that disability could happen to him too.
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I think if I remember correctly I had to go tribunal for my first wca and pip . I think you can ask for a phone appointment especially if you suffer stress or anxiety. I’m hoping this time to give enough information so I get it paper based as I’ve read a while ago they’re doing more paper based if they have enough evidence. The most important thing is getting help and not filling out the form yourself especially if you haven’t applied before.
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A lot of people are unaware just how deep Starmer's hate for disabled people goes.
First he made fees at private schools include VAT. This meant that many disabled children had to be pulled out because the parents couldn't afford the extra costs. These children can't cope with mainstream and LAs don't make it easy to get into SEN schools.
Now, via the Children and Wellbeing bill, Starmer is trying to change things so that parents cannot deregister their SEN children from school without first obtaining permission - which they are unlikely to give. So children with extra needs, often with mental health issues will be forced to continue to attend a place daily that causes them anxiety, mental health issues,
and sadly in some cases, suicidal thoughts.
Requiring permission will also apply to those with SS involvement, which many disabled children have.
He is coming at disabled people from all angles.
Personally, I don't think he will make any U turns - but he may be hoping that if there is not enough support to carry the bills through, they can quietly go away - and he saves face.4 -
I would have to fill it out myself, as the CAB in my area is the worse service I've ever come across. It takes forever to speak to someone, and when you finally succeed to speak to someone, they'll just tell you that someone would call you, which never happens. And taking an appointment with them is out of question. Neither do they receive anyone at their place.
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It's sums him up brilliantly doesn't it.👌He is a psychopath, getting votes for the GE by doing one of the things that all psychos excel at. Being a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
He's quite prepared to ruin the reputation of the Labour Party so therefore their election chances just because in his mind he can never be wrong.
Starmer, Reeves, Kendall and Timms all behave in a way that looks odd to us, a sure sign of their malignant (the worst kind of) narcissisim.
Their emotions look fake because they aren't genuine and if they smile or laugh it looks completely out of place as they are performing it, not feeling it.
In their mind, they are not doing anything wrong. They won't put up with any dissent of any kind and if they destroy the party, it will be everyone's fault except their own.
The only thing you can do with that type is to remove them. Easier said than done because they will resist at every turn! 😒
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💯 my feelings too . Both he and Rayner used their working class backgrounds to gain favour , then when they were about to stab the disabled in the back it was we understood as we have a mum, son , brother etc who are disabled, Starmer then used the excuse of his son studying to hide the fact he had left the family home after being so secretive of his children ( Dan Wootton has his own idea regarding this) . I even heard somewhere he bribed his children with a dog should he become PM, he then changed his mind and got them a cat . It’s all typical psychopathic behaviour, use people as stepping stones. As you say he can’t show feeling only try to copy what feelings look like . As for Kendall well she’s just demented in her hatred for the disabled and probably anyone vulnerable.
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There might be another organisation locally other than CAB.
In my area we have CAB, Disability Advice Bureau, and Disability Advice Service. As well as a local council officer who helps with benefit claims & forms.
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Is there no law centre near you or similar in your local council ? Could you write to your MP as I asked advice from mine and they referred me to someone in my local council. If you definitely can’t get help I would take your time to read it and do research. Even watch some YouTube videos where the questions are explained. Plus get a copy of your medical notes and any supporting evidence.
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I'm on a mix of contribution based ESA and lcwra UC....I was thinking of trying to claim pip but I'm just not up to it .... The way it looks at the moment I think I will just stay as I am and I should carry on getting reassessed through the WCA until it's abolishment in 2028 then when the pip assessment takes over ill do it then .... Not only that but alot can change between now and then , I personally think they might give transitional protection to people in my scenario , or some sort of net , as it would just leave people in a terrible position
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I'll be fine filling it out myself, as I used to help others fill out their various DWP related application forms ages ago. I'll search for those YouTube videos and if I need any clarification, I'll ask it here.
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Thanks, Kimi87.
You're an invaluable asset on this forum, as you provide people with support for their various DWP related enquiries.
I've got 10 or 11 certificates, each covering a type of DWP benefit, which I achieved through training with a council more than 20 years, including calculating the exact amounts of benefits people were entitled to. But I've now forgotten them, as I hate the DWP and anything that relates to it.
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Hi @Passerby - you can see the initial claim form here:
Seems like this will not fill you with any trepidation! Good for you, & myself & others have seen such terrible info others have received on the forum from Citizens Advice that I wouldn't recommend them.
Yes, PIP assessments are still mainly by phone & you can ask for a phone assessment anyway if you'd struggle with one in person. (Labour want to re-introduce face to face assessments).
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50 pages long! Wow.
Thank you, chiarieds.
I'll read it through.
What makes me sad, by the way, is that Google search says electronic PIP claim form is not available for my area!
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That's exactly what I was thinking until a few days ago. I'm only on LCWRA and was not tempted claiming PIP due to the hassle and stress that come along with applying for it and thought of seeing what happens when they scrap the WCA in 2028.
But now I thinking of claiming PIP in case I would lose my LCWRA later on, so I would continue to receive PIP till its subsequent review date, even though the question is whether those who lose their LCWRA would be able to continue to be entitled to their PIP!
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It was the government rhetoric last year that made me apply for PIP, in a way hedging my bets & to try and safeguard my Universal Credit for any future changes.
I moved into an adapted flat 2022 and figured it was now my best chance to be successful.
Much to my surprise I sailed through the process, paper based assessment where I was asked 3/4 questions, then told she would recommend Enhanced for both, medium term.
I came off the phone convinced I'd misunderstood, but was awarded Enhanced for both 6 years, which I recently learned is considered a significant award length.
Who knows what will happen in future, but what I do know is currently the money has been so valuable and changed my life.
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Yeah stick or twist ain't it , I just got a feeling that they couldn't get away with it , I honestly think there maybe some sort of transitional protection for people in our situation , I think I'll just concentrate on my next wca and try to pass that , then in 2028 have a crack at the pip when it takes over and if I fail take it to tribunal
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Keir Starmer uttered in the parliament not long ago that there would a transitional protection, even though he didn't say for whom. However, a transitional protection is a temporary means and doesn't have an indefinite status, like LCWRA.
Transition! To go where? End up in the grave-yard, as a sick person cannot transition to employment!
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You've made some very good points there.👌Going back to the first point about softening up the electorate to accept disability cuts, which ended up on a scale never seen before, Labour didn't even mention the disabled in the manifesto before they were elected!!
Everything is done in such a dishonest manner, no wonder they are so hated! 😒
Talking of dishonesty I've discovered that there is speculation of a strong link between the new immigration white paper and welfare green paper.
Unfortunately that speculation makes a lot of sense. Starmer thinks that in keeping the immigrant workforce down that he can employ US in their place!! 😮
The majority of us are not fit to work at all and the smaller number of us that may be able to work need a lot of adjustments to do so and can only work in certain types of less physically demanding jobs. That and with no guarantee of regular attendance due to our ill health conditions.
No wonder they are not bothering with work schemes like Access to Work!! They want to put us in the immigrant's jobs, which we all know are physical ones. We can't wash cars or deliver takeaways!! 😳
What planet do these politicians think we come from! 👾😡
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