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Don't believe what Stephen Timms says; he's a hypocrite who only cares about his job. He frequently contradicts himself and this proves that he has no firm beliefs.
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Their concessions are in reflection with what the revolting MPs are asking for. Unfortunately, these MPs are so far asking only for impact assessment prior to the voting, and consultations to be extended to the eligibility criteria of PIP.
The only concessions viable to us is scrapping the damn 4 point scoring system and leaving the WCA as it's, or, as the Tory plan proposed, abolishing reassessment for the existing claimants on LCWRA.
Anything less is just lip service.
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the removal of Starmer. Labour tend to hang onto their leaders, it's the Cons who are ruthless with those who fall out of favour.
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if this is true and it stands at 140 mp's ready to vote against the cuts (130 yesterday) then i'd say don't accept any concessions to the green paper….
let the vote happen as it is and get it rejected !
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I agree though even if they get it delayed in order for an impact assessment that would show them how badly we will be affected. My worry is the mention of an extra 50,000 children in poverty. I hope they don’t get concessions for people who have young children only . And the rest of us are left to suffer . Nothing would surprise me with TTK.
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I think from what I’ve read they know with Starmer they’re finished
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It looks so far that they will only need the 83 Labour MPs but I think it pays to be hopeful but not too hopeful that that's all that's required. Getting a law through parliament is a complicated business to say the least. It's not just the numbers on our side though. It's the whole mood of the Labour MPs which is good news for us. 😊
I don't think that they will scrap the (so called) reforms completely I'm afraid. They will not want to look weak and ineffective to parliament or the people.
What they will have to do, however is to back down, a lot because of the size of the rebellion and the great number of seats they could lose in future elections to us voting them out.
The thing that rebellious MPs seem to be talking about the most is the fact that the government should wait until October to get the OBR's impact assessment into the effect of the cuts on raising the levels of employment of disabled people.
When the Tories green paper was declared unlawful, the main reason that happened was because the Tories had said that their reforms would get a lot of us back to work and the OBRs impact assessment had said then, that it was only going to be 3% of us that would actually get remployed.
That means that Labour's current plan will be completely discredited and they will have to come up with some proper reforms, instead of just cuts.
As it is they still cannot change the fact that the vast majority of us are too disabled to work so we cannot fit in with their fantasy politics.
However I believe a lot of pressure will taken off us and it's likely that we will get a very much less punitive set of cuts, if not a complete rethink.
Unfortunately, that is going to take time but I believe we have got a good chance of things becoming a lot better.
Finally if these proposals keep being postponed, they will run out of time in this parliament to see the full impact of reforms which will make it less worthwhile putting them through as they are now.
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They don't want to go down with a sinking ship they will desert him like the titanic they will be remembered for winter fuel payments child benefit farmers Southport the lot if my mp votes against it and most Labour mps and kier starmer reeves kendell out I would vote them again because if reform got in but they have to really really prove themselves
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Lets write to our mps stating what we want the 4 point rule gone and leaving wca as it is or we will vote reform I'm emailing mine now
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Yes, so it seems. 👍 That and it seems that they are going to back down a great deal on the WFA, due to the fact that it's a considerable part of why they lost so many votes at the Local Elections, handing them to Reform.
They are very unlikely to back down completely but are looking to set the amount of income pensioners can get at a higher rate before they will have to forgo the WFA.
That means that more poorer pensioners will be able to claim the WFA than they can now. At the moment it's only those with pension credit that can claim it.
It seems that part of what is driving this climb down is the big rebellion they are going to get next month with the welfare cuts vote as well.
It's great to see them eating humble pie already. 🤗 But that also looks like good news for the low income pensioners as well, which I'm pleased to see. 😊
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💯. Though if it’s 140 now imagine the number once they read an impact assessment stating a million people in poverty
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Spot on. 👌 That's what it all boils down to in the end. Even if I think she's suffered a lot it doesn't alter the fact that she can be miserable in comfort.
We are fighting possible destitution, not just poverty and trying to keep a roof over our heads which in many cases won't be the one we have now.
We face untold misery, she faces just having to get over a broken marriage.
Even if she didn't feel happy about our fate I can't imagine her doing anything towards it. We are too far from her ivory tower for her to really care about what happens to us.
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This is unions marching so everybody write to mp telling them want four point rule gone and wca left as it is immediately This is the time to really push back last big push
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OOh I don't I thought he was trying save his own neck literally! Whatever reputation he had with disabled community is wreaked people been calling him out big time
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So for my understanding of what been reading here is that concessions has to go through Parliament for welfare reforms someone thinks maybe needs impact report so what I've done is emailed my mp stating that that's not good enough and we want 4 point rule dropped and wca to stay as it is also had to point out that if mps didn't work along side us reform will have his seat next year I stated work with us we will keep you in people email your mp now before starmer thinks he get away with doing that don't be scared we still have to keep pushing unions having March on 7th of June they had enough if labour pls people email your mp tell them what you want !!!
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Thanks Catherine, that's great to read about.👌I'm sure you won't mind me giving the link to your screenshot so it's easier for others to read.
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This headline from 2024 proves that the Labour party was out to get everyone, not just disabled.
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/1920670/Labour-plot-means-test-state-pension-Starmer-tax-raid-Rachel-Reeves
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A state pension was describe as "Benefit " in 1947. And bought in under a "Monies " bill. So nothing is the same as you think it is in this world of benefits, when you think your safe, you're not. No one is safe under this government, be it pensioner or claimant or disabled. I understand from classing entitlements as monie bills, that they can withdraw it anytime.🤫
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Reeves faces anger from her local party over plans to cut disability benefits.
"Rachel Reeves’ local Labour party will call for the chancellor to abandon her plans to cut disability benefits as rebellion among MPs over the policy grows.
The Leeds West and Pudsey constituency Labour party (CLP), which campaigned to return Reeves to parliament last year as its MP, has agreed to write to her “as soon as possible” to make clear it does not support the cuts."
Her current 12,392 majority votes will disappear at the next general elections like tears in the rain. Good for her. She's evil.
She forgets that Leeds already ranks high in terms of the number of people experiencing income deprivation.
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