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I think that those of us who can't attend, which is most of us should write to their MP and tell them what we require from them. Don't just leave it to those of us who are capable of going. That will only give the Labour leadership something they want and I don't think we are likely to approve of that! 😁 I'm starting mine in the morning. ✊

Timms desperately tries to hide the truth about pension age PIP

 Published: 17 May 2025

DWP disability minister Stephen Timms is still desperately trying to hide the truth about pension age PIP claims.  But his answers to an MP’s written questions make it clear that pension age PIP claimants will be subject to the four point rule, no matter how hard the DWP tried to hide that fact. 

From November 2026, Labour proposes that PIP claimants will not be eligible for the daily living component unless they score 4 points or more in at least one activity.

Whenever challenged about the harshness of this rule, the DWP falls back on the assertion that it will encourage claimants with less severe conditions to seek work – in spite of PIP being available to disabled claimants regardless of their employment status.

However, even this spurious justification falls apart if the 4 point rule is applied to pension age claimants, who nobody expects to start looking for work if their PIP is taken from them.

So, up until now, the DWP have repeatedly used a particular form of words to cover the fact that there is no exemption for pension age claimants:  “In keeping with existing policy, people of state pension age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by these changes.”

It is the case that pension age PIP claimants are supposed to only be subject to a light touch review every ten years.  But a light touch review is still a review and must apply the existing law.

And, as we have pointed out, currently more than 10,000 pension age PIP claimants have a planned award review every year and 20,000 more request a change of circumstances review because their needs have increased.

So, unless they are exempt from the 4 point rule, they risk losing their award if they do not score 4 points or more for any activity.

To try to get the DWP to admit this truth, on 6 May we asked readers to ask their MPs to put two written questions to the secretary of state for work and pensions.  The questions were:

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who are subject to a planned award review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain their award?”

“Will existing PIP claimants of pension age who request a change of circumstances review from November 2026 be required to score at least four points in one daily living activity in order to maintain or increase their award?”

On 8 May Conservative MP Alicia Kearns kindly asked those questions and Timms replied on 16 May.

The responses only needed to be a simple “Yes they will” or “No they won’t”.

Instead, Timms fell back once again on the “not routinely fully reviewed” form of words, but then added:

“All claimants are required to notify the Department of any change to their circumstance, be that an improvement or deterioration in their needs. Upon notification of a change, a Case Manager will consider what further action might be required to ensure the claimant is receiving the correct level of support.”

It is a carefully crafted politician’s answer, designed to obscure the truth without telling an outright lie.

But a case manager considering “what further action might be required to ensure the claimant is receiving the correct level of support” is exactly what happens whenever any PIP claimant requests a change of circumstances review.  Either the case manager will request an assessment of the claimant by the Health Assessment Advisory Service and then make a decision or they will make a decision on the claim using the available evidence, possibly after contacting the claimant and the claimant’s own health professionals.

The decision will be based on the law as it stands at the time and, because Labour are not exempting pension age PIP claimants from the 4 point rule, that is the law that will be applied.

So, if a pension age claimant asks for a change of circumstances review with the aim of moving from standard to enhanced PIP then, unless they are assessed as scoring four points or more for one activity, they will lose their daily living award entirely.

That is the truth that Timms is desperately trying to hide with his politician’s answer.

A much smaller proportion of pension age claimants are likely to be affected by Labour’s proposed change than working age claimants, but some will still be hit. Both pension age claimants and MPs, who will be required to vote on these proposals, have a right to be told that in plain language.

When he became disability minister, Timms claimed that he would create a new era of transparency at the DWP, as part of an effort to restore trust in the department.

But it turns out that being transparent – or trustworthy - is entirely incompatible with being a DWP minister.

You can read the full answers to the written questions here and here

MPs should not be allowed to abstain. They should be voting for their constituents. Why are they being paid for sitting on the fence?

I’ve filled in my response to green paper.. but perturbed by recent communication from OFFICE OF NATIONAL STATISTICS! Basically telling me I must fill in questionnaire called’Shape Tomorrow’ by 23/5.. it actually reads and asks questions similar to UC forms or PIP/ ADP assessment.. very invasive. ‘Why don’t I work’ ‘Nature of disability ‘ etc….I went online to check validity and reviews said that staff from office harass and badger you if you don’t reply, even turning up at your house? ****!

I have a 5 year award, enhanced categories, over four points etc. It was asking me… ‘where do I feel pain from my arthritis etc??’ Then ‘how happy I am on a daily basis’!?

Please please .. can someone tell me whether I must answer this? Is it mandatory. Even if a moderator from Scope forum as it has really distressed me… I do have both physical and mental disability and this has laid me very low indeed? It was just addressed to ‘householder’ at my address but given the nature of the questions made me suspicious/ worried about complying?

why does a certain type of person always get to work in the DWP as government Ministers, do you think there has ever been a good one with a bit of empathy, I can’t think of any.

I've just had a phone scam myself. It was a recorded message which is a sure sign. It only lasted a few seconds where a women said words something like "this is about the job you applied for."

I have had my disabilities for the last 21 years and have not been able to apply for jobs, never mind work, in all that time. That also makes it a scam, if its about something you haven't done.

Naturally the phone number was a mobile number, scam alert number three.

I blocked them immediately.

If you get anything like this I would say DON'T try to contact them. Whether it's phone, text or email. If you get a text or email DON'T click any links!!

If you still feel worried I should contact @Holly_Scope as she has done with @Maggie37 above.

Stay safe everyone!! 😊

Thanks for that. I know it’s a legitimate questionnaire but simply not sure about the confidentiality aspect. The whole thing was geared to my health, when I last worked, my reasons for not working. I’ve worked the bulk of my life but simply can’t now. To have to give reasons over and over again is so stressful. Plus listing body areas where I feel most pain.. that surely can’t be acceptable… even as a statistic. So I’ll take your advice. Cheers.