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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,381 Championing

    That’s so true . But they will regret their vote if they get pushed off the gravy train

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    I am of the opinion that they will not dismiss us that easily. I too would have thought like that until recently.

    The Labour leadership have done something so deadly serious with proposing these truly sadistic cuts with such prospectivly catastrophic outcomes that no one will be able to sweep our concerns under the carpet.

    After being ignored under the Tories for so many years, we are used to just being dismissed but however bad they were they came nowhere near to the complete destruction to our lives that Labour plan for us.

    The fact that the Labour party have done this to us is very significant to Parliament and to the public too, however right wing the leadership like to be. I don't think our plight is going away, by any means. 😊

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 210 Empowering

    I hope everyone of them gets shown the door at the next GE.

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering

    I've just read that it's in about a month's time but they didn't give a date unfortunately.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,381 Championing

    Hope you’re right jul , have you heard any updates as to how many voting against and how many abstaining ? I’ve heard 100 abstaining and 70 against. Obviously abstaining isn’t good enough and they should lose people’s votes but surely that means starmer has less MPs on his side and voting for him ?

  • jul1aorways
    jul1aorways Online Community Member Posts: 397 Pioneering
    edited May 19

    https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1029629#Comment_1029629To be honest, there are so many different figures being bandied about that I would be hard pressed myself.

    I've just heard though that three quarters of the Labour government majority in MPs that they got at the General Election are are objecting to the cuts in one way or the other. That's got to be good.

    If you haven't read this article from ITV News from 3 days ago this is at least the most encouraging news of them all. Please watch the video too as it's even better than the article. 😊 Sorry about the awkward link but it does work.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-16/government-considers-welfare-reform-concessions-as-labour-mps-threaten-to-revolt

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,381 Championing

    Thanks for that . My worry is they’re going to give small concessions such as wfa and increase to the two child cap which won’t help us at all . Obviously we need the 4 Point rule scrapped and the wca left alone but they won’t back down on that. If they give an impact assessment and proper consultation that would at least let everyone, public and MPs, know exactly what they plan . That would be a biggie for them as they don’t want anyone to know the truth before the vote. It shows how corrupt they are expecting MPs to vote for something without all the facts. I pray the Tory’s vote against and they don’t get enough to pass it

  • ashmere
    ashmere Online Community Member Posts: 30 Empowering

    Are Tories set to vote against Green Paper cuts?

    News from Benefits and Work site

    Most commentators have assumed that the Conservatives would always vote in favour of anything that resembled a benefits cut. But there now seems to be a possibility that the Tories are planning to support Labour rebels and vote against Labour’s Green Paper.

    On 18 May, Conservative MP Helen Whately told the Standard: “Labour’s plans dodge the difficult decisions on welfare, leave more people out of work than they put in and will hit some of the nation’s poorest people.

    “The sickness benefits bill is spiralling out of control and these rushed reforms will make things worse, not better.

    “These plans are cruel, careless and clumsy. And it seems that even some of the people closest to Reeves agree with us, not her.”

    What makes this total condemnation of the Green Paper particularly noteworthy is that Whately is the Conservative shadow secretary for work and pensions.  It seems unlikely that she would have been so outspoken in her criticism without party approval.

    It is clear that the rebellion on Labour’s back benches has been growing in the two months since the Green Paper was published.

    On 1 April, the Labour List website published the names of 27 MPs who said they would rebel against the government and 15 more who had expressed opposition to the Green Paper.

    On 8 May, 42 Labour MPs wrote to the prime minister to say the cuts were impossible to support.

    On 15 May, ITV reported that 50 Labour MPs were set to rebel, including the 42 who had signed the original letter.  100 MPs had also signed a private letter to Starmer urging the government to delay the changes and rethink its proposals. At least 6 MPs signed both letters.

    Which suggests that somewhere in the region of 130 Labour MPs oppose the cuts, though there is no suggestion they would all vote against them.

    The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels.  These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. 

    The idea will be to tell rebel MPs that the government doesn’t have the cash help these groups and also to drop its Green Paper cuts.

    Whether this is a pitch that will work, remains to be seen.

    But there seems to be at least a possibility that the Conservatives are now positioning themselves to take advantage of Labour’s disarray.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/are-tories-set-to-vote-against-green-paper-cuts

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,381 Championing

    If they’re really trying to buy the vote by saying they’ll help the elderly and children with money saved by leaving the disabled destitute that are completely disgusting. This just shows how much they hate the disabled. I hope the MPs don’t fall for this . They become more evil each day .

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 71 Empowering

    Making my way through the list Labour MPs that are voting for the cuts, emailing them all. They are in Government to help run the country and look out for the British People. They have mentally abused us for weeks upon weeks. And they are okay that we will all suffer badly through their decision.

    If they vote I hope they will never hold a seat in Government again as we won't forget 👍

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 71 Empowering
  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 441 Trailblazing

    "36 loyalist Labour MPs."

    They're just a bunch of newbie bootlickers and have nothing to do with loyalty, as most of them, if not all of them, got only elected last July for the first time.

    These newbie bootlicking mercenaries are the foot soldiers of Keir Starmer.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 210 Empowering
  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Championing
    edited May 20

    If HMG issue a 3 line whip, any Labour MP who disobeys will be a persona non grata. Losing their seat in 2028/9 won't frighten them as much as ending their careers in their first year in Parliament.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 441 Trailblazing

    "ending their careers in their first year in Parliament."

    They won't end their damn career in their first year in Parliament. If the whip is removed from them, they could continue as independent until the next GE. Keir Starmer can't kick them out, as they're not ministers.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Championing

    What I meant was them destroying their chance at getting a PPS or Junior Minister gig as Labour MPs.

    I certainly wouldn't last as an MP, because I would refuse to be intimidated. Local people who care don't have a hope of being selected, only corporate drones who are parachuted in. What a farce.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Championing
    edited May 20

    A relative of mine was a Labour MP for only 57 days, dying at the age of 43 in 1990 (Michael Carr). He took ill whilst attending a meeting at Liverpool Walton CLP.

    His type are no longer welcome in New New Labour; a dock worker and trade unionist.

    Apparently his 'extreme pallor' was observed by a journalist, a medical doctor in the public gallery at Westminster, on the same day he took ill (Carr asks his question at 11:50).

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 1,107 Championing

    Btw, I never met the man, I have just had my first glimpse of him as I looked up his name on the Internet.

    I knew his old man, who was a former Royal Marine and police officer, as well as my dad's uncle. We used to visit them in Bootle from NE Scotland.

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 71 Empowering

    https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/national/25175779.starmer-faces-labour-mps-amid-brewing-disquiet-benefits-cuts/

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,216 Championing

    We Should do reverse psychology and get a pertition on mps voting for pip cuts name them and state they we will on a wide scale vote them out