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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 68 Contributor
  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 68 Contributor

    A massive achievement honestly 👍 don't be worrying about things that are out of your control with the closed account your are probably worrying over nothing

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 436 Trailblazing

    Your story is quite interesting.

    However, if they ever decide to discuss this issue with you, never ever mention to them any account, closed or not, other than the one(s) you've stated in your claim. And don't answer unasked questions.

    They should better surveil holders of offshore bank accounts.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 68 Contributor
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    I wonder if they’ll change the 4 point descriptors so they’re easier to get . They’ve said they’re looking to change the assessments . They could of course make the 4 point harder to get but then there’ll be an even bigger backlash . If they changed the 4? Point questions to make them easier it softens the blow without them backing down .

  • ashmere
    ashmere Online Community Member Posts: 29 Empowering

    From Rightsnet site

    Citizens Advice: Government’s health and disability benefit reforms mean that some of those affected will still be worse off even if working full time

    New analysis from Citizens Advice of how the incomes of disabled people would change if cuts to PIP and universal credit were introduced today and those affected were able to move into full-time work:

    In many cases, people would see only a small increase in income by working full-time, and in some situations, they could actually end up worse off.

    This also relies on the very unrealistic assumption that people currently considered unable to work can suddenly take on a full-time job. For many, part-time work is a more realistic option than full-time employment. But moving into part-time work is more likely to result in a loss of income, and the financial impact is typically much greater.

    For example:

    a single claimant losing PIP daily living and universal credit health would be £114 per month worse off if they worked full-time, and £359 per month worse off if they worked part-time for 20 hours per week.

    a couple claimant where one partner loses PIP daily living and universal credit health, while the other remains in full-time employment, would only gain £112 a month if the partner that lost their benefits worked full-time. And they would be £272 per month worse off if the partner worked part-time for 20 hours per week.

    Citizens Advice adds that its findings undermine the government's argument that people will be able to compensate for lost benefits income by taking up paid employment.

    More: Work won’t cut it: Income from employment and benefits for disabled people

    https://www.rightsnet.org.uk/now/post/63143

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 436 Trailblazing

    "Kendall has suddenly announced a change in the pip assessments/ criteria."

    Change in the PIP assessment criteria was part of the proposal of the Tories, which Keir Starmer and his clowns said to have inherited. The Tories clearly said in their Green Paper that in light of merging the WCA and PIP assessments and making them into a single assessment, a new assessment criteria would come up in this respect.

    Therefore, Liz Kendall is not announcing anything new; she's is just parroting what the Tories planned.

    She's an empty wagon who's making a hell of annoying noise.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    I know but I remember her saying it’s sometime in the future. Seems strange to bring in changes all of the sudden. Something I think will change with the 4 point descriptors. Either made harder to get resulting in even less people being eligible or they could make them easier. If they made the 4 point easier they havent climbed down and it may ease the rebellion. If they plan on going ahead and making us all destitute I can’t see the WFA calming the situation down. MPs will still lose their votes from us .

  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 11,740 Championing

    WFP if reinstated will not be for everyone like it was before. Starmer is thinking of increasing the Threshold not said by how much.

    It would be done "at a fiscal event" probably Autumn budget but only if affordable in a funded way.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    So it doesn’t look like a complete climb down ? Only days ago reeves said definitely no change. I’m really hoping they suddenly do something positive regarding us next . 🤞🙏

  • JasonRA
    JasonRA Online Community Member Posts: 231 Trailblazing

    Concessions on WFA and 2 Child Cap are maximum impact minimum pain for the government. The general population can get on board with loving nanas and kids and virtue signalling their outrage when those groups are threatened. It's the cute factor, whereas with the disabled, not so much.

    I'm very upset and bitterly annoyed to be honest.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,183 Championing

    Email mps telling them we don't agree with kendell and whoever votes for this will lose our votes only way it's just like cat and mouse isn't it they love it there's a union March today in central London against cuts so kendell starmer think oh let's do a little u turn on wfa and at same time state we will be going ahead with pip cuts I'm going to email echr put complaint in got noting to lose

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,183 Championing

    I'm the same my daughter was like for godsake chill out I do recreate situations in my head like it's happening conversations the lot ! And got to remember my favourite saying I've had many worries in my life Most of them didn't happen I love that and it's very true

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 6,183 Championing

    Im going to email echr and complain already sent my mp all articles and another one today regarding kendells speech n

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    I am too . I’m all for helping pensioners so I’m pleased they’re changing that but this is our very existence at stake here

  • lincsgranny
    lincsgranny Online Community Member Posts: 68 Contributor

    Under these new plans will we still be able to go to a tribunal if needed

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 436 Trailblazing

    "I’m really hoping they suddenly do something positive regarding us next ."

    Amen!

  • Santosha12
    Santosha12 Online Community Member Posts: 1,205 Pioneering

    True. An empty vessel makes most noise (as my teacher used to tell me 🤣).

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,369 Championing

    If they’re changing the criteria they’re either making it harder to get 4 points or making it easier. If they’re clever they’ll make it easier so if the 4 point descriptors are closer to the 2 point descriptors it’s not a complete climb down and an embarrassment. That’s why they’re raising the threshold for WFA so they climb down to some extent but reeves doesn’t lose face . Please let them do the same for us 🤞🙏

  • LouCie61
    LouCie61 Online Community Member Posts: 90 Empowering

    You can't help it if you create scenarios in your head - honestly, I know exactly what it's like and I've always done it!. My mum used to tell me off and say deal with it if and when it happens, but I see it as having a contingency plan. I'm too old to change now! and am already planning what will happen when/if I lose PIP (I don't have any 4s). I will remember your saying though as that's very true for me too. Big hugs :)