Green Paper Related Discussions

Whatever we say,or think we cannot do anything else .

Dear Catherine

Bless you for caring

I am ok, I get very down but I will be ok. Sometimes all this becomes so overwhelming that I just snap and write stupid things. I hope your ok

Susie Boniface for Prime Minister!! lol. 🤗

I've just shared this video on X with as many relevant tags as I could think of! 😃

I am actually really trying hard to find any information saying the new pip proposals would be lawful, they all say they would probably be discriminatory and open to legal challenges.

Could this be discriminatory?

Yes, potentially, under the Equality Act 2010 and Human Rights Act 1998:

• Indirect discrimination: If a rule disproportionately disadvantages certain groups (e.g. people with mental health conditions, learning disabilities, or fluctuating conditions), even if it applies to everyone equally.
• Failure to make reasonable adjustments: If the rule doesn't account for the way certain impairments affect people across several activities but not severely in one, this could be legally problematic.
• Article 14 ECHR (non-discrimination) combined with Article 1 of Protocol 1 (protection of property/benefits) could also be cited in a legal challenge.

3. Could it be challenged in court?

Yes. There is precedent for PIP changes being challenged and overturned or changed via judicial review. For example:

• MH v SSWP (2016) – a legal challenge led to changes in how PIP is awarded for mental health conditions related to mobility.
• RF v Secretary of State (2017) – court ruled that changes to PIP mobility descriptors were discriminatory against people with psychological distress.

If the 4-point rule disproportionately affects certain disabilities, claimants or advocacy groups (like Disability Rights UK or CPAG) could challenge it through judicial review.

4. Could this delay or stop implementation?

Yes, potentially. If a court grants a judicial review and finds the rule discriminatory or irrational, it could:

• Delay implementation
• Force the government to revise or withdraw the policy
• Award compensation to affected claimants

Summary

• The 4-point rule could be discriminatory, especially against people with certain mental or fluctuating conditions.
• It can be challenged in court, especially through a judicial review.
• If successful, this could delay, change, or even stop the policy from being implemented.

You are absolutely right about that.👌We've been manipulated by the system all our lives to keep us down. As far as they're concerned, working class people are to be controlled, to do menial, physically demanding, low paid especially these days.

We are only considered as faceless wage slaves, making huge profits for big business and corporations.

If you are too disabled, too old or too young to do this, they consider you expendable as you are costing them money they want to keep for themselves.

As they are now showing, they will do anything to deprive us of our support, gaslighting others and minimising the impact of these catastrophic cuts to make sure they can force them through.

I somehow think though that their disgraceful lies and complete immortality have caught them out. ✊Let's hope so. 🤞🙏

I think if they reinstate the WFA ( which I agree with) and scrap the two chid limit and cut disability benefits that looks like discrimination to me . Whether it is in law is another matter. I’m more worried now with all the talk of scrapping the two child limit as I think they’ll say the disability rules need voting for to help children. I hope I’m wrong and by next week they’re u turning for us too