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I wish they would get rid of the whole of Parliament actually I wish john mcdonnell Corbyn and many more mps who came out in the beginning not supporting cuts Richard would become one party cutout the evilness that has taken over
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Hi Squirrel ๐ฟ๏ธ
Thank you so much for your very reassuring words. ๐That's made me feel better still! ๐ค
I did sleep well and came on here earlier to find a welcome surprise! ๐
The member who had sent that post to me had written to thank me for explaining why I said what I did and completely understands as she has been through the same experiences herself.
She said that it's better that we come to an understanding too as we have a much greater common enemy to fight. I couldn't agree more!!
What a relief. ๐ I'm glad that this has all been resolved in such a satisfactory manner.๐
You're right, there are the rotten ones in every profession. ๐ It's really galling to have them in the caring professions as they are attracted to them by being able to abuse vulnerable people.
Unfortunately it's just part of life, especially these days. ๐
I can remember having a really hatchet faced young women who was supposed to be a nurse do my first PIP assessment, which was a home visit.
I remember feeling relieved that I had a really helpful representive from my housing association, who was qualified to help with benefits, there with me. They knew each other, so he told me from doing assessments together on many occasions.
Especially as I had to lie on the settee as I was so ill and I could see from his manner that he was concerned that I was just not well enough to cope with the assessment really and was quietly trying to help me.
The erm.... nurse was so ill mannered. As bad as I was feeling I can remember she barked questions at me as if I'd crawled out from under a stone. ๐ก
I was fully expecting to be failed but I not only got PIP but ended up getting more money than on DLA! ๐ค
However, I wonder what the situation would have been if my representative had not been there? ๐ณ
Luckily for the next PIP assessment I got a very understanding assessor on the phone ๐ as it while we were locked down with Covid. I had panic attacks but coped a lot better. It's also the luck of the draw as to who you get too, as you will certainly know yourself.
That's when the PIP was put up again to both enhanced and with my most recent assessment, it was was paper based and I got the same again with a light touch reassessment, in 10 years, early last year.
I didn't celebrate too much as the Tories were saber rattling again but I didn't know that Labour would pull something like this on us!! ๐ฑ None of us could have even imagined this.
Even with two 4 pointers on my daily living, all the DWP need to do is simply not to give me 4 points again. I would definitely take it to tribunal, I've been there and won long ago on DLA. โPlus it's what I'd do anyway. They have no right to rob anybody of what they are entitled to.
My next assessment is two years after state pension age but being that age isn't going to save me, or my partner who is 71 and has standard daily living with two points in each question and he will be reassessed in 2028. Of course the DWP can force you to have a full assessment if you have a light touch assessment (which my partner has too) despite the misleading words of Traitorous Timms.
I'm sorry about the long rant, I hope that you don't mind me blowing off some steam ๐ค but it doesn't matter what our circumstances are, none of us are safe.
Especially from ignorant, hatchet faced nurses. lol. Honestly, she could have been a relative of Loathsome Liz! ๐คข๐
I hope you saw Charlie72's cartoon that he put on yesterday. If not...
I think he must have been inspired for the title from me calling her Loathsome Liz from her hashtag on X, leicesterliz. ๐ As soon as I saw it, I thought, shouldn't that be Loathsome Liz? ๐ค
What a great cartoon though, @charlie72 is very talented!
Really, if you don't laugh ๐ about this you'd cry. ๐ญ It all helps us to cope with what's happening to us.
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Thankyou, although I'm a bit gutted I spelt the authors name wrong, I only noticed it just now, it should say Roger Hargreaves, oh well, sure Liz won't mind, can you imagine if rest of cabinet sawe it and didn't tell her, all looking at their phones smirking at her? Give her a taste of her own medicine, hopefully make her paranoid that nobody loves her (true though)๐คฃ
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That's what my dad said about starlin he said labour was built of starlin ? I was like noway
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That's rather encouraging, mp's are usually quite scared of the bad publicity celebrities can give them, although labour don't need much help with that!! They have a bigger online precence than us, and are on tv shows like The Last Leg for eg, I believe these cuts to pip will be withdrawn to an extent as they are becoming too toxic to push through as they are.
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I hope so it's getting so draining for everyone 100 disabled tv actors have signed a letter to starmer I've emailed Christian of parliament emailed loads yesterday stating giving us time to find another benefit ??? Only one would be jsa calling them all out said do not fall for softening the blow ok put back couple of months to come out with the same situation sent so many don't care if they can't understand don't care I've emailed mp must be 40 times saying we are fighting for our life's because we are
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I watched dynamic duo and Rich said to him it means theyโll continue to give pip while you appeal . I think they used to do that years ago .
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If you got your 4 points awarded at a tribunal the DWP can't take them of you
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I thought I'd share some examples of where past governments have scrapped or stopped proposals to benefits, including PIP, mainly due to public opposition and outrage. It proves we do still have hope these cruel 'reforms' will be scrapped.
๐ 1. Disability Living Allowance (DLA) to PIP โ Cuts Reversed (2016)
What happened:
The Conservative government planned to cut ยฃ1.3 billion from PIP by tightening rules on aids and appliances (such as grab rails or walking sticks) for daily living.Public reaction:
There was massive backlash from disabled people, charities (like Scope and Disability Rights UK), and even some Conservative MPs.Result:
Then-Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith resigned, criticising the policy as unfair. Within days, the government scrapped the cuts entirely.๐ข Proof that high-profile resignations, media coverage, and disabled-led opposition can lead to full reversals.
๐ 2. Tax Credit Cuts โ Reversed After House of Lords Rebellion (2015)
What happened:
George Osborne proposed deep cuts to working tax credits, which would have hit millions of low-income working families.Public reaction:
Heavy media scrutiny, strong opposition from Labour and even Tory backbenchers, and public protests.Result:
The House of Lords blocked the plans, and Osborne was forced to abandon the cuts in full in his Autumn Statement.๐ข A major government retreat due to cross-party and public opposition.
๐ 3. Bedroom Tax for Severely Disabled Children โ Partial Concession (2013)
What happened:
The "bedroom tax" penalised people on housing benefit for having "extra" bedrooms โ affecting many disabled families.Public reaction:
Legal challenges and campaigns pointed out it discriminated against disabled children needing separate bedrooms.Result:
Government made exceptions for some disabled children after court rulings and political pressure.๐ข Legal action plus campaigning can force policy tweaks even after a law is in place.
๐ 4. Personal Independence Payment Mobility Changes โ Blocked in Court (2017)
What happened:
The DWP changed PIP rules to restrict eligibility for people with psychological distress, limiting their access to mobility support.Public reaction:
Charities and claimants launched a judicial review.Result:
In 2017, the High Court ruled the changes were โblatantly discriminatoryโ. The government did not appeal and had to reassess 1.6 million claims.๐ข The courts can overturn even implemented policy changes if they breach human rights or equality law.
๐ 5. Work Capability Assessment (WCA) โ Maximus Contract Scaled Back (2015โ2019)
What happened:
Following Atos's departure, Maximus took over WCA assessments amid widespread complaints about unfair treatment of disabled claimants.Public reaction:
Disabled activists, journalists, and even UN reports highlighted systemic harm caused by the WCA.Result:
The government announced a shift toward fewer repeat assessments for people with long-term conditions. Public outrage also led to repeated delays in "reforms".๐ข Sustained activism helped reduce the burden of reassessments and exposed flaws in disability assessments.
๐ 6. National Disability Strategy โ Declared Unlawful (2022)
What happened:
The government launched the National Disability Strategy without proper consultation.Public reaction:
Disabled campaigners took it to court.Result:
The High Court ruled it was unlawful, as disabled people werenโt genuinely consulted.๐ข Disabled peopleโs voices, when organised and strategic, have legal power.
โก Takeaway for Todayโs PIP Campaign
- The government does U-turns when faced with serious public and political resistance.
- Judicial reviews and court challenges have a strong track record on disability benefits.
- High-profile media coverage, especially when highlighting real people's stories, can shame politicians into action.
- Persistence works โ even if progress feels slow or uncertain.
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I know, it can get very mentally draining with the constant onslaught from media and Loathsome Liz, but history shows we actually have a good track record of overturning benefits reforms from WCA propsals to past PIP changes. We musn't give uo hope and keep up the presssure each day on mp's, just like yourself with emails etc, the end result will be worth it I'm sure.
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Hi jul,
Iโm glad youโre feeling better and everything is sorted out.
Omg my first assessor was awful. No empathy, barely looked at me and lied not only about me but about my specialists letter and she was a nurse. I remember thinking I wouldnโt want to be treated by her in hospital. She ignored all medical evidence and my GP was furious. I got zero points . MR gave me enough to get lower care which helped while I went tribunal. Tribunal were awful and tried to remove points . I had to go upper tier tribunal. It all took two years .
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Just think of the appeals and new claims the system will crash. I been put on another delay pip review. If my money stops I will appeal and then I apply again and again
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Well that says it all I'm emailing highlighting that because they will be like we are softening we are giving people time and we expect in that time for them to find a job or streets no way 150 mps against 5 backbenchers say their resign disabled actors actresses written to starmer has tag stop taking the pip dpca written to echr with 60 charties signed but they will still try because they want this so badly ps hash tag I'm clueless
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Exactly this ! Heโs trying to make out itโs softening the blow after WFA and possible two child limit u turns . But this isnโt a u turn at all , was planned at the start and now using it to look good to the rebels. I did watch dynamic duo and Rich said he thinks itโs theyโll continue to pay pip while we go to appeal . If thatโs true they might as well just leave pip alone as I only 2-3 years anyway so once the system is overloaded with hundreds of thousands of appeals itโll take that long .
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I'm confused by the possible change to the 2 child rule. Part of the reason for it, was to stop the trend of young girls having baby after baby and living on benefits. By scrapping the 2 child limit surely that will just result in the same again? So, how will that reduce the welfare spend?
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