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I hope the link works

Their running scared at the moment, I'm hoping they see sense and help us all by cancelling these balance the books cuts.

And everyone in the Labour party gone they are a joke

That’s the way I read it . So the 87% on standard who don’t get a 4 point would lose pip . All on enhanced would keep it regardless of a 4 point descriptor plus the 13% on standard who do get a 4 point descriptor. So really if it goes through it would discriminate against most in standard , practically wiping out pip standard rate . That’s what I read it as but someone may see it differently to me

What I don't understand is how they can now start making these vague promises to people at the enhanced level, implying there will be a definite dividing line and cut off. I read people posting online who get enhanced for, say, fibromyalgia and anxiety (just as an example, but it pops up a fair bit). I've been diagnosed with both of those conditions but also have diagnoses of other pain disorders. On top of those I have severe osteoporosis which has resulted in 3 spinal fractures without any traumatic cause, and I'm in my 50s. The whole saga of the last couple of months has made me realise I'm at risk of fracturing again if I twist to try and wash my back, and that has been the case for a number of years but I always struggle to get enough 2 point scores on daily living to get standard rate. I've been diagnosed by both a psychiatrist and a psychotherapist with EUPD but I never even bother filling out the question about going out on my own because it doesn't seem to cover certain mental illnesses, even some severe ones. Now what it feels like is so much of why 87% of us will lose out altogether in the future is because so many assessments are already rigged and/or flawed under the CURRENT rules, and they're talking about making the health element dependent on being in the 13% of people who get enhanced PIP, but many people only get short-term standard rate daily living, even though they've got multiple diagnoses that result in significant disability and impairment.

It's all a bit mad! ☺️

Hi jasmine,

I also have fibromyalgia plus ME arthritis etc etc . I have had assessments where I’ve had zero points and fought for 2 years to upper tribunal. My last assessor increased care but lowered mobility which I got back in MR. I really think a lot of it is luck on who you get as an assessor . My conditions can’t be cured in fact the fatigue with ME can’t even be treated yet I’m awarded for 3 years . I spoke to someone the other day who told me she’s on a lifetime award but knows someone with exact same condition which effects her the same way and she’s only awarded short awards. I think there needs proper guidelines that they need to follow the same as court judges have . The system so often isn’t fair to some of us though obviously it’s not other claimants fault and I’m glad to hear good stories. But for some it’s a real struggle to get an award . I get enhanced but don’t get a 4 point as the assessors don’t give them out . Next time I’ll have to fight again, in fact there’ll be a million of us at tribunal costing billions of pounds if they go ahead with this nonsense

I will vote for which ever main party supports us . Who ever it is they’re only thinking of their career but so be it . I said to kemi in my email this was started by the Tory’s and I wouldn’t consider voting for her with Mel stride as chancellor

Hi jasmine,

I went to the upper tier tribunal as the tribunal were awful and played up to the dwp rep who also turned up . Strangely and I don’t want to jinx myself but the dwp have been fine . It’s the assessors and tribunal’s I’ve had trouble with. The assessors are a law unto themselves and it’s luck who you get . That’s how some people don’t get the award they deserve imo . It’s then natural to question how someone may get more but you feel your condition affects you more . It’s not begrudging anyone but the system has no logic or predictability. I personally think there should be a descriptor for fatigue and pain. The actual questions are too vague and don’t cover pain and fatigue directly. The system needs changing but starmer only wants to change it to make it worse. I really hope they stop this 4 point rule nonsense and attaching lcwra to pip. Let’s see what the news is today as it seems they’re leaking bits of info already as they’re now worried