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  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,626 Championing
  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering

    Thanks. There's nothing about the bill being read tomorrow in the front pages of the mainstream broadsheets as far as I can see.

  • bton1968
    bton1968 Online Community Member Posts: 127 Empowering

    Ellen Clifford | For Wealth Taxes, Not Cuts
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 1,626 Championing

    I know I thought that . Being covered a bit I think

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,117 Championing


    Passerby
     Posts: 525 Championing2:08PM

    I've the exact same feeling as you, as the DWP is known to provide undisclosed guidelines and instructions, known as "secret" or "undisclosed", to PIP and WCA assessors.

    Passerby Posts: 525 Championing9:25PM

    I believe such a behaviour is due to undisclosed guidelines and instructions that they're given rather than being based on the merits of the assessment. This was happening through undisclosed guidelines and instructions they were giving to ATOS

    I asked you once before to post that WhatDoTheyKnow reference because this isn't entirely true and you keep saying this. I want to point something out which you have missed.

    Thank you

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 4,117 Championing

    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 250 EmpoweringJune 17

    Thanks. There's nothing about the bill being read tomorrow in the front pages of the mainstream broadsheets as far as I can see.

    Nothing scheduled for it on tomorrow's Parliament programme either.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering

    This was posted on Disability News Service X page recently.


    Here's confirmation of the bill that will introduce billions of pounds of cuts a yr to #PIP and #UniversalCredit.


    Seems to be called the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.
    It will be presented after #PMQs today ie soon after 12.30pm.

    To 'make provision to alter the rates of the standard allowance, limited capability for work element and limited capability for work and work-related activity element of UC and the rates of income-related ESA, and to restrict eligibility for the personal independence payment'


    Suspect further details will be revealed later today.
    #WelfareNotWarfare #TakingThePIP

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 536 Championing

    In this article, there's a poll asking whether Starmer is right to stand by the controversial welfare cuts.The current score at the moment is as follows, as it's still live. You can take part in it. If you do not want to sign-up to their free newsletters when it prompts you to enter your email, it's fine, you won't have to, just click "Submit and see the poll results".

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-doubles-down-dwp-35397006

    Yes, he is : 8%

    No, he isn't:  92%

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 536 Championing

    I think they'll finally scrap the 4 pts scoring system and require everyone to score the current points required for enhanced rate to have access to sickness or disability benefits, and will scrap the standard rate of PIP. This will still be worrisome, as they're going to modify the descriptors and no one knows what undisclosed guidelines and instructions the DWP would give to assessors.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 536 Championing

    While we're at it, the Guardian is free to read online. Although they encourage reader support through subscriptions and donations, they maintain a commitment to providing their journalism freely accessible on their website. If it prompts you to register, it doesn't mean it would also ask you to pay. Registration was important when they had comments section at the bottom of some of their articles and people required to register in order to post comments, but they removed these sections about two years ago.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 536 Championing
    edited 1:40AM

    If you think these are tall tales I'm making up, then, Google is your friend.

    If you're expecting to read the DWP saying that it has been giving undisclosed guidelines to its assessors, you would be disappointed big time, I'm afraid.

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 263 Empowering
  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,163 Trailblazing
  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,163 Trailblazing

    Yes. I remember thinking, "How can Ivan's Dad do this to us?"

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 111 Empowering

    That's what I've been saying this whole time , 170 MPs was never the number that was rebelling , anyone that had a bit of political nous including many figures who were dead against these cuts were saying these reforms would never be voted down , what matters now is what amendments or tweaks or whatever they will be presented as ..... So far that poisonous little goblin Kendall has said we can have a extra 8 weeks run on if our payments are stopped , what a disgraceful thing , like everything will work itself out in those few weeks .... It just reeks of incompetence , literally the Labour party have stolen the kernel of a vicious Tory policy because they have no ideas of their own and then have Absolutely no clue on how to begin to implement it , and the reason they can't is because it is flawed on everyway , do you know I'm totally ashamed of myself for voting this mob in , it was anything to get the Tories out , but I never ever thought it was going to go like this , I thought it was impossible to hate someone as much as Johnson , but I've gotta say starmer is up there

  • Martinp
    Martinp Online Community Member Posts: 221 Empowering

    Just got to stay strong, look after ourselves best we can and see what the next few months bring. Thinking of you all.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,163 Trailblazing