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Thank you . They should say that pip will always be there as long as you get a 4 point, nothing to do with being sick or disabled
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to be honest this government haven’t got the best track record for sticking to their word. They said they wouldn’t back down to the WFA, they u-turned. The two children cap, they said they wouldn’t back down, they backed down. The consultation is completely lawful, so will be likely challenged.
Remember they haven’t completely u-turned on the WFA. I think all pensioners got this until last year, then it was those only on pension credit, that left those just over the threashold to choose between eating or heating, last winter. Now I believe that pensioner with annual income no more than £35,000 will receive it this year.
That a softening of the cut to the WFA. I think we will see the same thing if I’m honest - not a complete u-turn or scrapping of the cuts, but a watered down proposal, remember know we know MPs are voting on it, they can voice their concerns etc.
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What happened to the concession that those on enhanced aren’t affected by the 4 point rule ? Does anyone know what the actual concession ms are apart from 13 weeks till destitution
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Hi Charlie,
Same here . I have ME among other things and if I don’t pace myself it can be harmful. People die of ME . When I had an appointment recently regarding uc migration in JC I asked for phone appointment and they were fine . I said it’s hard getting there with my conditions .
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I hope you’re right . What happened to the concessions ? I thought they were scrapping the 4? Point for enhanced. All I’ve seen recently is 13 weeks of pip
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I read that too in the Financial Times around the time the rebellion and the support from disabled celebrities coming out damning the cuts. It could be there in the bill, we don’t know what been “tweaked” yet. Problem with MSM they don’t always report on everything - the information or rumours are so saturated they are everywhere. We just don’t what to trust
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Things didn't go well here in N.Ireland. This was just posted on X by Women's Support Net.
Women's Support Net
At @DWPgovuk event on the Pathways to Work Green Paper but walked out in solidarity with our friends @DPACNI. They refuse to listen to feedback about proposals to cut PIP & Universal Credit for disabled people which will have such an impact in NI. Cuts to PIP will have knock-on impacts too with many carers likely to lose access to Carer’s Allowance. We’re concerned about the gendered impacts of these proposals as women are more likely to claim social security benefits & to provide care In our written response to this consultation we have refused to answer the specific questions because they assume acceptance of the cuts and we do not accept them.This is not co-design, this is not co-production!
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They want a vote on something that seems very secretive even to back benchers . None of this seems legal to me
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definitely feels that we are being persecuted, doesn’t it? I wonder what one disabled individual did to Kendall? 🤔
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She’s a psychopath like starmer and psychopaths don’t seem to like what they class as weakness. Kendall is definitely no ok , something not right with her
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Of course! When you know something is coming sooner or later and you cannot make any difference whether it comes earlier or later, then, I believe it's better to see it coming earlier, as the waiting is an stressful experience.
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Spot on!
They play nice and lovely with you and stab you in the back.
They play as such to put you at ease during the meeting to avoid arguing with them or becoming aggressive towards them.
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Last one was on phone but I now know she was steering me towards 2 point answers and even answers that should of been a 4 she gave 2 .
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Report in the guardian about up to 50 rebels. I can’t read it all to share but maybe someone who subscribes can
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Government officials have admitted they made a mistake by making the financial case for cutting benefits as they steel themselves for as many as 50 Labour MPs rebelling against the welfare bill that is being published on Wednesday.
Sources told the Guardian that they now believed the party should have focused on the moral case for reforming the welfare system, arguing that it was letting down millions of people who could be supported into work.
Labour insiders believe they could have kept more MPs on side if they had not highlighted the £5bn savings the Treasury would make as a result of the cuts to health and disability benefits that have so angered the party.
At the time of the spring statement, ministers said there were two justifications for the move: one was to get people off benefits in the long term, but the justification for the immediate cut to incapacity benefit was to make sure the system remained financially sustainable.
Rachel Reeves told MPs: “These plans mean that welfare spending as a share of GDP will fall between 2026-27 and the end of the forecast period. We are reforming our welfare system, making it more sustainable, protecting the most vulnerable and supporting more people back into secure work lifting them out of poverty.”
Labour MPs are demanding big changes to the proposals first put forward in March in the welfare green paper, including a rethink on eligibility for personal independence payments (Pip) for disabled people and benefits for carers.
Kendall’s plans to save £5bn a year by overhauling the welfare system, including by cutting Pip, triggered alarm in the party, with experts saying that up to 1.2 million people with disabilities are expected to lose thousands of pounds a year.
Nevertheless, the government is not expected to make any further changes to the welfare bill after it is published. “The £5bn is already spent,” said one senior government source. “Any further tweaks to the bill including on start dates or on criteria or tapering would mean that we start to spend money we don’t have. And this goes far beyond welfare.
“We have to be able to make tough decisions. We have to be able to make a budget add up in the autumn. We have to be able to make tough reforms that are the right thing to do. If we cannot get this through the consequences are far bigger than just this reform.”
Senior No 10 figures said the numbers who eventually rebelled or abstained might be as high as 50 – but did not believe Labour was at risk of losing the vote, which is expected in early July. “We think that when it comes to it, MPs will want to vote with their government,” one said.
The government has been intensifying efforts to quell a growing rebellion over welfare cuts, with whips stepping up contact with MPs and strategists drawing up plans for a cabinet reshuffle in case of resignations.
Ministers are taking a carrot-and-stick approach by laying out extra support for people who face losing their benefits, while also warning mutinous MPs of the consequences of voting against the plans.
Several MPs said that whips were strengthening efforts to bring them into line after Liz Kendall, the work and pensions secretary, sought to ease concerns by promising extra protections for vulnerable people.
Labour whips have suggested that the expansion of free school meals earlier this month and big capital investment announced at the spending review – albeit alongside cuts to day-to-day departmental budgets – were also helping to reassure concerned MPs.
Government insiders admitted, however, that deep unease about the disability benefit cuts across the party meant there was no single leader of the group of rebel MPs, so it was difficult to predict the likely scale of any parliamentary mutiny.
Neil Duncan-Jordan, a Labour MP who has opposed the welfare reform plans, said: “The government will only withdraw its damaging disability benefit cuts if Labour MPs make clear they will vote against them.
“The so-called concessions that have been suggested are nowhere near enough to undo the damage that is being proposed. The facts are undeniable: these cuts won’t create jobs – they’ll only push 3 million people deeper into hardship.
“After 14 years of Tory cuts, the benefits system is already driving disabled people into destitution. Another wave of cuts won’t clean up their mess – it’ll make things worse. I urge ministers to pause, withdraw these cuts, and work with disabled people’s organisations to redesign a fairer benefits system.”1 -
I believe such a behaviour is due to undisclosed guidelines and instructions that they're given rather than being based on the merits of the assessment.
Guess what - during D. Cameron, remember many claimants used to fail the WCA. It was found out later that the government was paying £80 bonus to ATOS for each claimant they had found fit for work. This was happening through undisclosed guidelines and instructions they were giving to ATOS!
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So they’ve already spent our money . A piddly £5 billion compared to the £300 billion they’ve spent. I wonder have they spent it on the WFA u turn and a future scrapping of the two child limit ? If so it shows we really are the least deserving according to this lot .
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All while Cameron claimed DLA for his son even though he’s a millionaire
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strange thing is she increased my award so I actually got more so I didn’t check the points . Makes me wonder if this was a plan then
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This is a good advice and I'll stick to it.
Thank you.
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